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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and i'm still out on the west coast um

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in california i'm in my old

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unbelievable i hit the wrong button i'm

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in my old stomping grounds uh where

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actually where i used to live for oh i

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don't know somewhere around eight or

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nine years and i'm in tiburon uh

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california which is uh

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in the san francisco bay area a

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beautiful place exploring uh

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old places i used to go and and having a

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wonderful time and uh meeting up with

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some old friends uh tomorrow meeting

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with my good friend dean aliotto who uh

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eventually he'll be on the show talking

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about a great uh docuseries that he has

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coming out um i've i i've seen enough of

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it to tell you it's going to be

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fantastic so meeting with dean um

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tomorrow

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heading back east and then in uh

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november

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5th heading out to

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phoenix arizona to go to the mufon boot

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camp investigator boot camp and i'm

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going to be filming we're going to be

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doing a show from there as well

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so

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podcast ufo on the road that's what i am

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doing so the blog this week is called a

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ufo photographed in the italian al alps

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and that is back in 1950

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and i do believe the bottom line uh it's

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a very interesting

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hoax image uh check out that blog by

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charles lear great great

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material as always my guest this evening

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alfred uh kiros

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and i think i have uh talked about this

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a number of times but if you're new or

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just started listening to the show

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i had an insurance broker many years ago

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i want to say it was

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and we were discussing we were done

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doing our business for an insurance

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policy

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and he was walking around the house we

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were just discussing different things

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and he said i had an interesting

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um i forget what he said an interesting

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position in the military during the

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vietnam war

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and so i said well

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well what did you do exactly and he said

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i was on part of a team on the air force

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investigating ufos during the war

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and uh at that time of course i didn't

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um anyway uh so i asked some more and

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more about it and

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it was a real it was a fascinating

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and i had the question that everyone

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seems to have and that is what are they

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doing what are they doing here if you

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think they're really here

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the question i did ask him is what does

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the government think they are

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and his answer was

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we are a petri dish

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and i thought that was uh a fascinating

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answer and i thought about it for a long

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time you know uh years later and when i

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i tried to look him up i remember his

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his name was tom bowden

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new hampshire i believe

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and i've tried to find him because i'd

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love to have him back on the show and

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i've never been able to find out

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anything on the internet whatever

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happened to him but our guest this

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evening is going to be talking about

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encounters during the vietnam war and

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i'm really excited to talk to him about

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it's the first time

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that uh he is in a public venue speaking

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about this and thanks to kind of

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the ridicule factor kind of dissipating

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in the ufo topic um

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he was willing to speak about it and

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he's a professor emeritus of art and uh

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here he is alfred welcome to the show

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thank you so much glad to be on here

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martin thank you yes and you know i want

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to say thank you to the person that

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connected us and right now it's escaping

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my mind

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who was it robert frasconi he was the

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field investigator who was investigating

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a photograph i have taken in april of

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this year

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oh well we're definitely going to be

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talking about that too so thank you

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robert so much for connecting us

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together

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and so let's let's hear uh now when we

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were talking off air you mentioned

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that it was uh you didn't even like to

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admit that you were involved in the

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vietnam war because of the stigma you

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know you all came back from vietnam and

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you know you were in the sense where i

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am right now basically in the san

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francisco bay area and you had to keep

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it very quiet yeah

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well it was a period of time when there

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was a large anti-war

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protests going on here during the

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war i uh got out of the service in 1967

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and went right into art school

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and uh san francisco institute

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to study painting

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and um you you didn't bring it up uh if

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if you wanted to

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date young ladies you did not mention

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the fact that you were a veteran

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uh so for for a while there i used to

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have a lie and just tell people the

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people would ask because i was a little

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bit older than the rest of the freshmen

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and they would ask me uh what are you

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where were you what do you mean what

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what did you do before school and so i

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would tell them that i was studying at

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the university of southern nevada u.s

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they were from the west coast and they

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knew universities then i would say i was

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in southern nebraska i was studying

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oceanography

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that was the joke

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yeah so i i not i didn't mention it very

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very often that i was a veteran i

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probably about 1985 i finally came out

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and asserted the fact that i was a

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vietnam veteran

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and so i don't know if you want to jump

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right into but well i guess before we

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jump right into the topic i mean into

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your encounters

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um i want to ask you did you ever pay

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attention to the ufo topic prior to

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um the the first encounter

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well the only thing i remember seeing it

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was in the movie theater we saw a movie

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the ufo the p-51 pilot that crashed

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chasing the ufo and it was just one of

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uh news thing newsreel things that we

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saw on the movies that was about it

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that's all i knew about ufos and that in

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that sense and that was like i was about

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maybe in the fifth sixth grade

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so i didn't pay too much attention to it

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there was all these uh flying saucer

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movies uh creatures from outer space and

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all that stuff was going on so we all

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thought it was all part of the hollywood

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yeah yeah um so do you want to now you

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had was it two

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that i took in

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let's put it that way um

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the first incident happened we were in

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route we had just left midway island

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when we were in route to guam

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uh and i was on watch uh this was

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probably around the middle of january

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january i i figured it was probably

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around the 24th of january 1966.

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i was a quartermaster uh third class uh

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qm3 uh and the quartermaster on a ship

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uh steers the ship uh into the harbor

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out of the harbor alongside other ships

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etc

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and we do we're also the assistant

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navigator so we navigate the ship and

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that's our job uh when we're on watch is

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to make sure that the ship is on course

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and also we keep the ships logged and

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we're also the ship's weatherman

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so on this night i'm on the midwatch uh

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midnight to four

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the bridge crew consists of two lookouts

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uh the officer of the deck uh which is

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the senior officer the junior officer of

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the deck which is a junior officer

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the bosses made of the watch uh the

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the steersman or the helmsman and the

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enunciator guy the guy that runs the

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engines forward and back and then myself

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the quartermaster the watch and my job

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is to maintain the ship stays on course

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and i'm taking fixes about every or

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every 45 minutes every every hour we

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have to have a fix

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and we go from there so i had taken a

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break and usually uh

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incredibly clear you get what is called

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the dome effect in the middle of the

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ocean in other words you have horizon to

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always had around my neck and i would

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just aim them straight up 90 degrees

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straight up and just look and just like

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how infinitely small we were in regard

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binoculars i was looking at the stars

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and uh all of a sudden i noticed there

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a v formation five little white dots

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so almost like a satellite so i

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immediately chewed out the lookouts that

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were above the uh sitting on there

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they're standing on top of the bridge so

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i chewed them out because i you know i

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was a quartermaster's third class uh

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in uh the army and i chewed them out i

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said you know why did you report those

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lines and they go what likes those up

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there that was right up there oh my god

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yeah yeah i said you're supposed to

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report those by the way so i informed

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the officer that we got a flight of

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aircraft probably aircraft

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uh heading for guam same way we are

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because we were in a northwesterly

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direction at the time so

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we just you know went through a regular

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rigable role where in other words center

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operating procedure we call a cic combat

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information center say hey what do you

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guys got on radar

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and he said oh you know i have nothing

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on radar i said well let's we're looking

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at five objects and they seem to be

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moving along uh

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uh headed the same direction we are so

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flight of b-52s and then we were

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wondering why they had their landing

280
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lights on or something but anyway

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so um

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at that point

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the radio the the radar the radar men

284
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say well why don't you contact guam

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we'll contact juan see what they've got

286
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coming in

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so they contacted guam air force base

288
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and guam reported back right away saying

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we don't have anybody coming in we don't

290
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know what you're looking at

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so they suggested at that point

292
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suggested uh they can't we contact

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tachikawa air force base in japan

294
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so

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the radar men contact chicago air force

296
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base and they say well okay we got these

297
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five things moving along and

298
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nobody seems to know what they are and

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touch car air force base responded with

300
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a negative saying we are nothing in the

301
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air we have we don't know what you guys

302
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are looking at so they recommended the

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third radar site which was in hong kong

304
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and they said the british radar british

305
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have the strongest radar in this area

306
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why don't you contact them see what

307
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they've got coming in okay so we contact

308
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the british

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nothing

310
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we said we don't know what you guys said

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look at it say we're getting the same

312
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response all the time so but this time

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we're all looking at these guys we're

314
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all

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there with our binoculars now we kept

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thinking if only they kept going

317
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straight and just kept going we would

318
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have just forgotten about it and logged

319
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in as uh five aircraft

320
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and that was minion

321
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but

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these were moving along and then all of

323
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a sudden

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they made a 90 degree turn i mean

325
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literally worm bam on l and then and

326
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then just took off i mean this just they

327
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just

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vanished i mean and we were i was

329
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yelling dead reckoning dead reckoning so

330
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i was looking towards the direction they

331
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went and they were gone

332
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so at that point we all kind of lowered

333
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our binoculars slowly and just kind of

334
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looked at each other and i just looked

335
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at the

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the operations officer who was the

337
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officer of the ood officer of the deck

338
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senior officer he was a full lieutenant

339
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and i said to him i said um

340
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how do i log that in uh what was that uh

341
00:13:09,670 --> 00:13:06,800
mach 20 mach 30 what speed was that that

342
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was a 90 degree turn with no hesitation

343
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they just

344
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uh did it out i mean there was no

345
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arcing of a turn an aircraft would arc

346
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these guys

347
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90 degrees uh sh just

348
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a shift changing direction

349
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and then just took off they just like

350
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vaporized just like vaporized

351
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they were gone

352
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so

353
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i just looked at the the officer of the

354
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deck and i said how do i log that in i

355
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said and he said uh gentlemen i believe

356
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you call those ufos

357
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so at that point i said do i have

358
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permission to log in as such he said log

359
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it in as you saw it quartermaster and i

360
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said i will log in as i saw

361
00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:48,399
things these four five objects

362
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making a 90 degree turn and then going

363
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at a

364
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fantastically high speed and the only

365
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thing the other thing the officer said

366
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at that point was

367
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gentlemen let us hope they are whoever

368
00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:03,199
they are they are on our side yeah

369
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so that was it so we logged i logged it

370
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in the funny part about this situation

371
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is i was the guy that when the ship's

372
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log was filled i was a guy that had a

373
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key to the ship's log blocker which was

374
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located in the focus of the destroyer

375
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that i was on

376
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and uh we would always put the logs in

377
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there and mark them the date when these

378
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filled out and everything else

379
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so

380
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i went into after i put the log away

381
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after the log was filled i put them away

382
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i went back into the ship's log because

383
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i wanted to take that page out in other

384
00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:39,920
words i wanted a souvenir because i i

385
00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:42,560
knew whatever we had witnessed

386
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was something very spectacular and

387
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,440
something very very unusual and it's

388
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:49,760
something that it was starting to alter

389
00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:52,880
my consciousness about what i was doing

390
00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:54,720
and what we were doing and things like

391
00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:55,519
that

392
00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:56,399
so

393
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when i went to go pilfer the page of

394
00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:02,079
that log the log was gone

395
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someone beat me too

396
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,639
so

397
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and i wasn't about to go asking

398
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:07,680
questions you know hey who took that

399
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:09,920
long

400
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so i i figure

401
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:14,000
it had to be an officer or someone else

402
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:16,079
that had the key i was the only enlisted

403
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:18,720
man that had a key to that locker

404
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,560
and i believe the executive officer and

405
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:22,800
another and the navigator uh which was

406
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an officer had the key to that to that

407
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:27,680
locker so somebody saying the whole the

408
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:30,079
whole log journal was gone the whole

409
00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:32,480
book the whole book

410
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:34,880
wow and uh when something like that

411
00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:37,040
happens isn't that really like something

412
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major i mean

413
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,560
well we uh

414
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:42,720
we kept quiet about it and the reason we

415
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:45,360
kept quiet uh uh we were afraid of

416
00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:46,480
ridicule

417
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:47,920
and um

418
00:15:51,749 --> 00:15:49,759
and uh we didn't want to have any

419
00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:51,759
anybody ridiculing us

420
00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:53,920
and uh you know the the term did you see

421
00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:56,959
any little grieve into that kind of what

422
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:58,959
would come up i believe i told one other

423
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:01,440
navigator one other assistant navigator

424
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:03,839
about it and he just laughed

425
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:06,480
yeah so i figured okay we gotta

426
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:07,519
zip it

427
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,399
and yeah i mean there was uh

428
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let's see uh there are two lookouts the

429
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,320
boats was made of the watch the two

430
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,639
officers the messenger of the watch and

431
00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:18,800
myself and a radio men were the

432
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:20,560
witnesses to this

433
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:21,360
yeah

434
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:23,120
and so

435
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,480
when this thing

436
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:25,920
you're you're

437
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:28,160
you're kind of unsure

438
00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:29,199
how

439
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:33,199
elevation

440
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,440
we figured these were at satellite

441
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:37,680
height we figured and we knew about

442
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:40,480
satellites because we were aware of the

443
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:41,920
echo satellite

444
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:43,279
because

445
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:46,160
okay go ahead well my question is echo

446
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,040
satellite as a ruse for

447
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:51,199
officers that were learning how to use

448
00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:52,959
a sextant

449
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,120
in other words we knew the satellite was

450
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,120
going to be over her head

451
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:59,279
but let me ask you this would

452
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,160
you

453
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:02,160
would a radar

454
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:03,920
go to that height to that level

455
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:06,160
elevation

456
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:07,919
that i don't know i did have to have

457
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:10,880
some radar required we had a 300 range

458
00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:15,439
300 mile range uh long range radar i i

459
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,079
believe it was 300 miles

460
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,240
wow that tells you anything

461
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,319
uh here's a question that came in a chat

462
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,240
when the light shot off

463
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:26,480
was the point of the v pointed in the

464
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:28,000
direction of the movement and that's a

465
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,160
very good question

466
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,320
i'm pointed in the direction of the what

467
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:35,120
of the v the forward v like aerial

468
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,160
aerodynamically uh the point of the v it

469
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,640
i mean they just went boom and the v

470
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:42,240
always stayed

471
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,360
the v

472
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:45,600
to the front shifted just literally

473
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,360
shifted like that yeah

474
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:48,799
yeah they just

475
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:51,039
i mean gone i have to tell you a funny

476
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,840
thing that did happen in 1977

477
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,919
i went to go see the movie star wars i

478
00:17:59,909 --> 00:17:58,080
was living in providence rhode island we

479
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:59,919
went to see the movie star wars for the

480
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:01,840
first time when it came out

481
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:04,799
and there's a scene where han solo puts

482
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:08,720
his spaceship into hyperdrive or yeah

483
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,120
well when he did that

484
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:12,720
i reacted

485
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:15,600
and i i out loud and people in the

486
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,110
shut up because i i i freaked i just

487
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,360
like oh my god that's what those ufos

488
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:25,200
did in 1966 they're getting into

489
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,640
hyperspace

490
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,480
and everybody was shh

491
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,720
[\h__\h] down

492
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:33,120
and i was just so excited because that

493
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:35,440
was what it looked like to me

494
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:37,600
like these ufos so they made that 90

495
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:40,160
return they just they just they didn't

496
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:41,760
they didn't they just didn't turn and

497
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,520
keep going they would they turned and

498
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:45,840
took and got and they were gone i mean

499
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,919
boom banished

500
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,760
yeah this one freaked us all out because

501
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:51,440
we just like i said we all just kind of

502
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:53,200
loaded our binoculars really slowly and

503
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,919
just

504
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:55,679
looked at each other like okay did you

505
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,320
just see what i just saw

506
00:19:00,870 --> 00:19:00,000
that kind of thing you know

507
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,880
yeah

508
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,240
and so

509
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,360
um your other encounter was

510
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:08,000
at close range am i do i have that right

511
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,200
that's correct

512
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:10,559
and that was a little bit different

513
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:11,600
encounter

514
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,160
uh we by this time we were off the coast

515
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:17,200
of vietnam we uh we were maybe two three

516
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:18,799
miles four miles five miles off the

517
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:21,120
coast of vietnam we were conducting

518
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,480
shorebirming off of the quang tree i

519
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,720
believe is the area we were operating in

520
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,400
just below the uh

521
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:31,280
the dmz line the 17th parallel

522
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,080
so we were moving back and forth

523
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,360
awaiting waters from uh

524
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,039
an aircraft there was a spotter plane

525
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,760
flying over the area the ground area uh

526
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:43,520
over the south vietnam area in contrary

527
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:46,720
area uh we were waiting for sherman

528
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:47,840
targets

529
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,120
and um as we were cruising along i i was

530
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:53,200
on the bridge i don't know why i don't

531
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,520
remember if i wasn't on wash

532
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,200
so i was probably conducting my normal

533
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,360
duties on the bridge going around

534
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,000
and uh we weren't we were maybe in a

535
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,039
condition three battle stations so

536
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:07,200
uh i do i wasn't at a battle station

537
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,640
otherwise we weren't at full battle

538
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,159
stations

539
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:11,919
when one of the all of a sudden bright

540
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:14,240
day it was sunny hot

541
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:18,159
uh humid this is like about april 1966

542
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,840
uh when all the sudden the lookouts

543
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:21,440
started yelling there's a ball in the

544
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,080
water there's something in the wall of

545
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:25,919
a ball in the water silver ball in the

546
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:29,919
water and this was about a oh maybe 175

547
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,280
feet 100 feet safe i mean 100 yards 75

548
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,200
yards in front of us

549
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:36,880
so

550
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,840
is slowed down and the captain is

551
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,280
brought is called to the bridge the

552
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,039
captain comes to the bridge

553
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,720
and he says what's going on he says

554
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,640
there's uh the lookouts report there's a

555
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,600
silver ball in the water uh ahead of us

556
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,600
so the captain said orders immediately

557
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,600
turn the ship off

558
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,400
so

559
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,000
all everything all the systems go off

560
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,520
and the ship's engines turned off

561
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,880
everything's turned off pretty soon it

562
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,720
gets really eerie because it's really

563
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,919
silent

564
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,919
and then the captain tells these two

565
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:06,960
officers

566
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,760
get into the safe and the safe was under

567
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,400
the chart desk so i had a chart that's

568
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,159
where i in the in the pilot house where

569
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,320
i you know work on the char or we did

570
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:18,320
our fixes

571
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,679
uh and so we had the chart in our in our

572
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,240
chart desk so they opened the safe and

573
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:26,480
they bring out this huge book this huge

574
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:28,840
notebook and i mean it says

575
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,240
warsaw warsaw pack weapons and then it

576
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:34,080
says top secret across and they said

577
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,200
kiros

578
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,039
yeah we all went by our last name so

579
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,120
they said kiddos look away you only have

580
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,280
a secret clearance this is a top secret

581
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:43,120
thing so i had to turn my head away and

582
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,720
not look at the book but you know i

583
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,720
could look at it and they were they were

584
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,440
looking through mines the mind mine area

585
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,120
so they're looking to see what kind of

586
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,960
mine it is because we thought at that

587
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,360
point we thought it was a mine

588
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,840
yes bobbing below the surface we're just

589
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,880
bobbing

590
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,720
so at that point the captain says uh

591
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,240
we're not going to get near back the

592
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,640
ship up slightly so we've got the ship

593
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,280
up by this time you know the residual

594
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,720
you know when we turn the ship off we're

595
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,039
still moving so by this right captain

596
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:12,640
says here we got it back to [\h__\h] because

597
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,760
we were getting closer to this object

598
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,039
so the captain said we don't want to

599
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,640
deal with this nonsense we don't want to

600
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,840
deal with this thing we don't know what

601
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:21,039
it is

602
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,080
so

603
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,480
we call the helicopter uh we had an

604
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,400
aircraft carrier in the area i forget

605
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,919
which aircraft we were operating with

606
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,919
maybe three aircraft carriers at the

607
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:32,400
time one of the main ones were operating

608
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,760
with was the enterprise well speaking of

609
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,200
names here's a question here what was

610
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:39,200
the name of that ship again

611
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:40,799
the one you were on

612
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,240
i was on the uss waterburn dd684

613
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,440
witterberg

614
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,640
wetterburn

615
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,679
winterberg okay

616
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,440
thank you oh

617
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,679
there it is right there wetterberg i got

618
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:55,280
it

619
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:56,080
yeah

620
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,600
it's uh what's your class 2100 2100

621
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,360
fletcher class destroyer we still had

622
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,039
our five gun mounts

623
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,799
nice you had that book handy like that

624
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:06,880
wow yeah that's uh the yearbook i worked

625
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,679
on uh yeah for the the cruise it's our

626
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,880
cruise book

627
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,440
so consequently we all the helicopter

628
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,360
comes in by this time we got

629
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,440
the helicopter pilots on our radio so

630
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,159
he's talking we can hear them

631
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,720
so i started filming i got my i had an

632
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,240
eight millimeter camera a regular eight

633
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,320
millimeter camera so i started filming a

634
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,320
little bit getting it going and the

635
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,400
captain turns and sees me

636
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,159
when the cavity says put that thing away

637
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,919
you know i go yes sir

638
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:35,679
i put the camera away so i got no

639
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,640
footage

640
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,280
of anything like because i just barely

641
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,720
started when he's when he saw me and uh

642
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,120
so the helicopter comes

643
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:48,840
goes in front of us uh and lowers a um

644
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,320
a cable or a some kind of a

645
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:54,720
device down a long cable

646
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,520
and it's some kind of sonar device and

647
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,400
um

648
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,480
he's describing it to us he's you know

649
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,480
over the over the radio we're listening

650
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:04,080
on the bridge we're listening to the

651
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,679
broadcast on the bridge and he's saying

652
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,240
it's a smooth ball silver six feet

653
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,840
diameter no seams no markings no rivets

654
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,679
it's totally smooth

655
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,520
so he says doesn't seem to be doing

656
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,320
anything so i said so i'm looking at

657
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,080
this point i'm looking at the chart

658
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,760
trying to figure you know and we had we

659
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,000
were off the coast so

660
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,720
there's a lot of shoals and weird

661
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,640
the ground is kind of strange in fact we

662
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,720
had to use some old french charts that

663
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,600
showed

664
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:34,159
uh sand sandy shoals and things like

665
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:35,120
that

666
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,919
so

667
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,679
we're concerned about not running the

668
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,440
ground a little bit

669
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,480
uh so at this point the helicopter is

670
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:44,159
lowering this thing and he's not getting

671
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,919
anything out of the cabling doors he

672
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,760
raises the cable up and he says we're

673
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:49,840
going to try something

674
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,200
so we were like what's he going to do

675
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,840
also we realized he uh

676
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,760
kind of puts the helicopter to one side

677
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,919
a little bit and the side gunner opens

678
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,279
fire

679
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,279
so by this time we're seeing tracers

680
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,919
flying off this thing so we're ducking

681
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,679
down on the bulwark of the ship of the

682
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,000
bridge we're like whoa this guy shoot

683
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,080
this guy's doesn't realize these traces

684
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,240
are flying all over the place and then

685
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,679
all of a sudden the helicopter pilot

686
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,919
itself starts yelling it took off it

687
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,240
took off it took off and he's the

688
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:22,720
helicopter goes into a spin

689
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,000
and flies kind of like in the direction

690
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,240
of where it took off so the captain

691
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,440
immediately orders turn the ship back on

692
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,679
sound general quarters this is not a

693
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,360
drill we're going to general quarters

694
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:38,240
set the asw anti-submarine warfare team

695
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,360
in action

696
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:41,039
so there's the bong bong bong we're

697
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,559
going to general quarters we start

698
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,960
chasing this thing

699
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,520
uh we don't even know what it is uh so

700
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,200
we think it's maybe some kind of

701
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,400
transfer at this point they're

702
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,320
discussing some kind of transponder

703
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,480
device from a submarine

704
00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:55,520
so

705
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:02,799
we searched for 72 hours which is

706
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,080
standard operating procedure nothing

707
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,279
zero nothing no submarines

708
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,240
no there was nothing in the area it was

709
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,799
clear water so we don't know what the

710
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,600
heck it was and what it was doing there

711
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,120
and

712
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,919
pulled it

713
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,799
because it

714
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,640
it sounded like somebody has pulled it

715
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,159
pulled it under water so that's why we

716
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,600
thought we thought it was a summer rain

717
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,760
because it went down

718
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,880
when it

719
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,760
so

720
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,919
and we never i never saw it we never we

721
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:35,360
never really saw it because it was you

722
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,159
know

723
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,760
under just under the surface of the

724
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,919
water the lookouts just saw the shimmer

725
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,159
of this this thing

726
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,720
now we knew what mines looked like

727
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,799
because we had encountered a world war

728
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,880
ii mine and had one of our sharpshooters

729
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,960
exploded

730
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,640
now when this thing

731
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,279
took off was there sonar in use or

732
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:56,880
anything like that

733
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,520
yeah we turned everything on

734
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,279
at that point when that thing took off

735
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,559
our sonar was our sonar operators or

736
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,559
everything was on back on i mean it was

737
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:09,039
like instantaneous thing went back on

738
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,480
the ship we started the ship up

739
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:11,919
everything

740
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,159
yeah we went and the only question i had

741
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,120
was the fact that the water

742
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,760
we were in a kind of a shallow area and

743
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,840
i i mentioned to one of the officers i

744
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:26,000
don't know if a submarine can operate in

745
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,279
this water

746
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,960
this is kind of shallow air we're off

747
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,799
the coast we're not we're not really in

748
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,840
deep deep water

749
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,679
so that was the only question i had and

750
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,919
for this to this day i have no idea what

751
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:38,960
it was

752
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,799
almost kind of forgot about it a little

753
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,679
bit

754
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,840
and i even brought it up with a former

755
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,360
shipmate of mine and asked do you

756
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,520
remember the silver ball incident he

757
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,840
said no i know it says yes because it

758
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,600
was something that you know we didn't

759
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,000
see anything so we figured

760
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,720
it's a sight unseen

761
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,720
wow well that that's something else i i

762
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,480
wish there could have been some

763
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:05,039
data showing you know with the speed

764
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,480
that this thing

765
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,720
had um

766
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:09,600
um

767
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,590
sure uh yeah i just i wish there was

768
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,480
some

769
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,840
data where they could have seen the

770
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,679
speed of this thing traveling un

771
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,520
underwater you know

772
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,039
we don't know the helicopter pilot was

773
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,440
the one that saw it took off oh you saw

774
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,559
it take off

775
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,960
did you

776
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,039
so were you were actually watching at

777
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,640
the time

778
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,360
yes i was and did you see any wake in

779
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,159
the water any movement in the water

780
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,520
and the reason i'm bringing that up and

781
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,200
i think it's your your answer is

782
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,240
interesting because uh

783
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,559
other accounts of what they call usos

784
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,279
unidentified submerged submerged object

785
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:54,480
or submersible uh whatever it is

786
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,399
is that there's trans-medium movement

787
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,080
without causing

788
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,960
disturbance which is very very strange

789
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,640
like for instance when these things are

790
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,240
seen to go in or out of the water

791
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,399
there's no splash

792
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:11,120
and and they're also seen and i'm not

793
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,559
i'm not saying this is what you saw i

794
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:14,720
don't know what you saw but we don't

795
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,360
know

796
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,720
either

797
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,440
when they travel underwater at high

798
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:21,760
speeds it almost doesn't even make any

799
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,640
sense

800
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:24,960
how they can do that in in out in and

801
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,399
out of the them the different mediums uh

802
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,919
you know it's just like the

803
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,200
i never forgot the words of the

804
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,960
helicopter product because you know it

805
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,440
just he he sounded scared i mean he

806
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,520
sounded like he was you know yelling it

807
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,480
took off it took off it was like wow and

808
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,159
and he was turning his helicopter was

809
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,240
you know going into us uh like a spin

810
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,840
and we're like well

811
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,000
what does he mean it took off

812
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:50,240
we didn't see anything take off

813
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:51,120
so

814
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,799
under the water or it went on its own or

815
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,279
we don't know we i i honestly have to

816
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,360
say i really don't know

817
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,600
whether it was pulled or went or it went

818
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,000
on its own but whatever it was it went

819
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,600
underwater and it took off can you

820
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,240
can you explain again what exactly who

821
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,640
who fired on this thing someone fired on

822
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,679
it

823
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,960
yeah

824
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,679
and

825
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,760
we couldn't believe it we just you know

826
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:23,520
all of a sudden he just opened up the

827
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,320
the

828
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,000
door gunner just saw something just

829
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:28,240
started shooting and uh like i said

830
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,120
there was

831
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,200
tracers they were flying off in the air

832
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,640
it was like and all of a sudden we like

833
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,480
freaked out a little bit but i remember

834
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,240
ducking down behind the ball working

835
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,480
like what is this guy doing

836
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,760
well it's a wonder

837
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,520
it's a wonder they would do that you're

838
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,399
only 75 yards or so away and if this

839
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,640
thing blew up i mean it seems like it

840
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:47,919
could have caused some damage to the

841
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,559
helicopter as well i mean

842
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:52,720
it's kind of a strange reaction and i

843
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,080
wonder oh you know this was uh

844
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,320
we were off the coast of vietnam so you

845
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,159
know yeah

846
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,640
i guess i guess you had to take all the

847
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,279
precautions and yeah so he's basically

848
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,120
it sounds like he was if he thought it

849
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:09,200
was a mine he was trying to blow it up

850
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,399
yeah

851
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:11,519
you know

852
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,200
uh when they were looking through the

853
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,519
warsaw pact book

854
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:19,039
there was nothing

855
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,559
of that

856
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,440
description in the book

857
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,960
and they let you know that they let you

858
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:27,039
know that the oscars uh explain to

859
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,399
explain to the captain there's nothing

860
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,039
in the book there's no no smooth silver

861
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,799
ball in the book

862
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,120
yeah well the warsaw pack nations do not

863
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,519
have a silver ball smooth silver ball

864
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,840
with no seams or no spikes or anything

865
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,600
just a smooth silver ball six foot

866
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,840
diameter there was no such thing unless

867
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:45,360
there was a new secret weapon we don't

868
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,960
know we you know we're speculating now

869
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,399
yeah yeah

870
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:52,880
well there's there's there's so much uh

871
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,399
speculation when it comes to this um and

872
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:58,320
you know it wouldn't be surprising if

873
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,919
you told me the thing rose up out of the

874
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,519
water either you know i mean that that

875
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,320
would have been quite spectacular and

876
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,360
and uh so you search for 72 hours in the

877
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,320
direction operating procedure is a 72

878
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:12,080
hour search

879
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,760
for three days we chased nothing

880
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,240
and radar had nothing and

881
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,200
we we kept going in circles literally

882
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,720
zigzagging and doing all kinds of

883
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:24,399
maneuvers

884
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:25,679
thinking where this thing might have

885
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,399
gone and nothing we turned up nothing

886
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,159
and what was this

887
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:35,760
what was this speculation

888
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,679
uh submarine transponder device

889
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:42,240
and with something submarine belong to a

890
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,519
submarine

891
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,679
oh i've seen it pulled it back down

892
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,360
yeah that's what they thought i mean

893
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,559
because

894
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,480
no nobody was in us you know that was

895
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,159
the i mean we were we're talking you

896
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,159
know normal military

897
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,640
kind of thinking you know okay you got a

898
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,159
ball that's floating in the water who's

899
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,840
balling well it has to belong to

900
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,159
somebody it must belong to another

901
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:04,240
another ship or something

902
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,200
yeah

903
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,360
we just didn't know what ship

904
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,919
yeah yeah so it was one of those

905
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,919
mysteries you know you you're left

906
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,440
scratching your head and you go like

907
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,640
okay

908
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,000
what's next

909
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,399
yeah yeah

910
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,039
that's about it and uh and

911
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,960
we to this day we don't know what we saw

912
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,440
and then now again now with what's

913
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,600
happening today with these little these

914
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,679
uh sphere those spheres that are going

915
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,760
into the water i'm starting to wonder

916
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,799
was that one of those things or

917
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,720
or what i don't know

918
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,200
right right um there

919
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,840
uh i had a friend

920
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:43,840
um he's been on the show many times mark

921
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,840
d'antonio and he was on a an excursion

922
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,919
on a a

923
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,279
submarine

924
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,240
um as a guest because of some work that

925
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,399
he did that was related to it

926
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,080
and they had

927
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,480
they had something moving that they

928
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,720
called a fast mover that was they

929
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,200
already had a term for it it was going

930
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,200
over 200 knots

931
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,079
and underwater and he figured this is i

932
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:11,919
think it was he said it was in the 90s

933
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,960
or maybe early 2000s you know we didn't

934
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,639
have any technology that would do that

935
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,919
speed

936
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,639
and

937
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:20,639
you know you think of

938
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,159
the fastest ship at that time in 1966

939
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,560
was the uss enterprise

940
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,359
yeah

941
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,119
carrier

942
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,720
yeah whenever they would launch their

943
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,960
place and there was areas in the in

944
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,440
tonkin gulf where there was no wind so

945
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,079
the aircraft carrier had to create wind

946
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,879
oh wow at one time we chased that

947
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,159
carrier

948
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:45,839
he signaled back to us uh mike speed 60

949
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:46,839
plus

950
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,639
knots and we're going 25 almost 30 knots

951
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:53,119
and we were popping rivets

952
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,159
literally

953
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,879
i was on a world war ii destroyer we're

954
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,800
we're moving through the water at 30

955
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,760
knots

956
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,480
our ship was taking was rumbling we were

957
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,760
in a rumble

958
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,200
and by the time we caught up to the

959
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:06,640
aircraft carrier they already launched

960
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:07,440
their

961
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,880
aircraft and were coming back

962
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,000
i mean

963
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,480
we we were they were going

964
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:17,680
plus 60 knots on the water on the circle

965
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,560
it takes so i remember reading an

966
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,480
article one time about

967
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,520
um boating you know like power boating

968
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,079
so for every knot

969
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,720
it takes so much more power and the

970
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,119
higher you go out like if you want your

971
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:36,480
your uh your motorboat to go 80 knots it

972
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,839
takes an enormous amount of power

973
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,640
once you get over like 40 knots to make

974
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,200
it go higher so if you can picture

975
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,839
something that is submerged

976
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,480
traveling at two over 200 knots i mean

977
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,480
it just seems like it would take

978
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:54,160
uh you know

979
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,200
rinsing

980
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:56,960
and it takes an enormous amount of

981
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,320
pressure around you know uh to make

982
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,839
something like that happen the question

983
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,480
that richard has here the tracer bullets

984
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,720
were actually ricocheting off the object

985
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,119
is that what that's so they were shot

986
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,599
with tracer bullets

987
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,640
so every other i think i forget what the

988
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,640
what they

989
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,400
polished load i i didn't know how they

990
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,720
was loaded i mean we saw tracers and

991
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,079
they were i mean there wasn't like a

992
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,680
steady stream of tracer this was like

993
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,839
maybe every five or six rounds or

994
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:28,160
something in other words every once in a

995
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,440
while you'd see a

996
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,359
tracer shoot off

997
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,320
that's what

998
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,000
what scared us so we

999
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,680
started to see the traces because you

1000
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,480
know normally if you know maybe i i know

1001
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:40,320
we carried 50 caliber machine guns on

1002
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,359
our ship

1003
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,560
um and i think there was maybe every six

1004
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,079
rounds of tracer or something like that

1005
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,520
i forget the

1006
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,480
the

1007
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,560
military tournament because i never had

1008
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,640
to fire the machine guns i that wasn't

1009
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,040
my job yeah

1010
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,280
yeah um

1011
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,839
well so these things happened

1012
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,359
to you and

1013
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,040
what was it like

1014
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:06,240
um you know behind the scenes like did

1015
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,839
for instance let's go back to the first

1016
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:09,440
encounter

1017
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,480
and

1018
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:13,200
was like in the mess hall or whatever

1019
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,160
was there

1020
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,000
talk you know like hey what do you think

1021
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,400
you bring it up let me bring it up

1022
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,240
nobody was on the watch

1023
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,400
brought it up because i think we were

1024
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:24,320
afraid of ridicule

1025
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,119
yeah

1026
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,520
one of the things that you uh had to be

1027
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,079
aware of uh when you're on a small well

1028
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:32,320
a small ship where you got a crew of 250

1029
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,119
men

1030
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,599
uh or just destroyer and like i said

1031
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:38,320
it's a flesh of class or 2100 class

1032
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,440
destroyer

1033
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:42,000
and um

1034
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,599
there was a lot of harassment all the

1035
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,520
time i mean if somebody got a dear john

1036
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:47,680
letter everybody in the ship knew it and

1037
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,280
you and that poor guy had for them for

1038
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,440
about a month until somebody else

1039
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:54,960
you could harass somebody else i mean

1040
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,599
there was always that kind it was almost

1041
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,390
right of passage kind of thing that she

1042
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,760
would say

1043
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,240
yeah i mean i remember for example for

1044
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,240
myself i wrote a letter to my girlfriend

1045
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,800
and then i threw it away and tore put it

1046
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,280
in the garbage can my mistake was sorted

1047
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,200
in the garbage can because then it was

1048
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,640
pulled out by other crewmen and they

1049
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,720
were they all had a section of the

1050
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,119
letter it was right out loud in front of

1051
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:23,280
other crewmen

1052
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,240
oh

1053
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,839
that's the kind of thing i'm talking

1054
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,079
about that's the kind of talking about

1055
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,480
that is so terrible you know

1056
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,320
so my reaction to when they were reading

1057
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,480
my letter i i i responded by saying

1058
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,000
where'd you find the letter in the

1059
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,359
garbage yeah that's where you guys were

1060
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:44,150
yeah you had to learn how to throw it

1061
00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:53,109
[Music]

1062
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,109
this this uh

1063
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,560
this question is i don't know if you

1064
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:59,280
even know it these m14 tracer of 50

1065
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,720
caliber i have no idea

1066
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,839
yeah

1067
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,760
well um all right going back to the

1068
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,359
first one i don't think it was a 50

1069
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,839
caliber i do not think it was 50 caliber

1070
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,800
okay

1071
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,280
because the 50 machine gun is a pretty

1072
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,079
heavy machine gun it's about 85 pounds

1073
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,920
and the reason i know that is that i one

1074
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,920
of my jobs when we went to general

1075
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,040
quarters

1076
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,119
we had a 50 machine gun that was

1077
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,680
strapped to the side of our chart house

1078
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,680
in other words our where we worked on

1079
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,640
charts

1080
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,960
our chart room and and my job when we

1081
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,720
went to general corners was to take that

1082
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,400
50 calorie machine gun that was strapped

1083
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,040
to the wall throw it over my shoulder go

1084
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,440
up the ladder to the bridge handed to

1085
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,440
the gunners mates who were on top of the

1086
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,200
bridge they had a machine gun mount on

1087
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,310
wow that sounds

1088
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,400
those things are probably pretty heavy

1089
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,160
too

1090
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:53,680
85 pounds

1091
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,040
yeah yeah so when you're looking at this

1092
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,920
let's talk about the first and encounter

1093
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,200
um

1094
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,960
yeah it's amazing that you just happened

1095
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,640
to be looking up

1096
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,640
and well it was it was uh

1097
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:10,880
the thing i it was the way i relaxed you

1098
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,240
know once i i did a fix and and and

1099
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,319
showed the officer of the deck where we

1100
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,000
were in the position of the ship how we

1101
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,240
were doing did we need to change course

1102
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,079
how was our drift and you know all these

1103
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,520
kind of things that you do when you're

1104
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,760
navigating uh what kind of drift do you

1105
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,440
have do we have a following seat do we

1106
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,040
only go in against the sea

1107
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,640
uh are we doing good time or are we

1108
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,079
gonna arrive when we're supposed to ride

1109
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,760
because we were our job was to

1110
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,920
rendezvous with some other destroyers

1111
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,160
before we pulled into into one so we

1112
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,680
could pull in as a uh in a column

1113
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,160
so um

1114
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,240
that was we were kind of operating by

1115
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,960
ourselves so in in points of relaxing

1116
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,319
you know uh

1117
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,160
i would just get my predocuments and

1118
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,000
look straight up and just i really

1119
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,920
enjoyed that it was a lot of fun just

1120
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,040
looking up

1121
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,079
and seeing all the stars just just an

1122
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,599
incredible view

1123
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,160
and if anybody's ever seen that you'll

1124
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,920
understand what i'm talking about when

1125
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,440
you get the what it's called the dome

1126
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:08,319
effect

1127
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,200
yeah

1128
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,960
being under a dome

1129
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,880
yeah yeah so

1130
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:14,720
moving boy you spotted

1131
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,079
yeah i i did a i was doing other

1132
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:20,160
other shows and i actually had the

1133
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:21,440
pleasure of

1134
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,640
meeting and

1135
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,280
doing a interview with a

1136
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,599
gentleman that was at the time i think

1137
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,280
someone else has beat the record it's

1138
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:31,119
not a record you want to beat and that

1139
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,760
is

1140
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:34,800
to be how long he was by himself

1141
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,160
in a life uh raft you know trying to

1142
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,880
survive until he was found and i forget

1143
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,720
how many days it was it was all many

1144
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,319
many many days

1145
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,760
and so

1146
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,480
um after i did the interview um of

1147
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,160
course had nothing to do with ufos it

1148
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,640
was completely about his survival which

1149
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,280
was an amazing story all on its own it

1150
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:57,920
was a book written about it um a drift

1151
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,800
it was called but anyway um

1152
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,359
so i said hey uh by the way

1153
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,000
you know i do a show on ufos too

1154
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,720
and i said you were out at sea in the

1155
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,720
dark every night and you know you could

1156
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,560
see all the stars and everything did you

1157
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,440
ever see anything weird and he goes

1158
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:17,040
yes

1159
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,839
and

1160
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,720
so i go like can you talk about you know

1161
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,960
i try to get more information he's well

1162
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,640
you know maybe another time i'll talk

1163
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,400
about it you know that type of thing but

1164
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:27,920
so yeah you're out there you have the

1165
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,440
vast sky and you know if something

1166
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,359
is going to happen it's kind of like you

1167
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:35,119
think about commercial pilots you know

1168
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,079
they have

1169
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,160
it's clear you know you can see a big

1170
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,960
range hundreds of miles in in all

1171
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,800
directions you know

1172
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,480
so yeah um

1173
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,800
there's no way to tell exactly how the

1174
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,400
high this thing is

1175
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,040
um the radar thing is a little

1176
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,920
uh murky to me because i'm i'm not sure

1177
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,680
did you say that

1178
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,240
they can see within 300 miles is that

1179
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,030
it's a surface radar

1180
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:08,240
surface radar yeah okay radars on the

1181
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,280
ship are

1182
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,599
are for well they had one air they had a

1183
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,000
small there we have two radar devices on

1184
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,720
the mast a small one on the very top and

1185
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,680
then a large search radar uh right below

1186
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,599
that one and i i don't know what their

1187
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,760
full function i know that the bottom one

1188
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,079
had a range of 300 but it was a surface

1189
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,839
radar in other words they couldn't aim

1190
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:29,359
it up

1191
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,079
oh

1192
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,680
now the other

1193
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,160
this is why it was suggested to to uh

1194
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,240
contact guam air force base to see who

1195
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,599
they had coming in

1196
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,880
yeah we thought it was the flight of

1197
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,400
b52s

1198
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,440
you know

1199
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,000
i mean that was the issue reaction and i

1200
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,760
mean we were real casual about that

1201
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,640
there's

1202
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,200
five five aircraft up there you know and

1203
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,680
must be and we were you're casual very

1204
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,040
quiet you know those must be a flight of

1205
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,200
b52s

1206
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,040
then you you know hey cic what do you

1207
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,640
got you know

1208
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,640
and it was then also then it changed you

1209
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,800
know the also the focus started changing

1210
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,440
and also when when when one said to

1211
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,440
check with tachikawa air force base

1212
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,440
something's going on here

1213
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,839
and uh like i said we went through three

1214
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,560
radar sites or three radar stations and

1215
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,520
uh

1216
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,560
they said we don't know what you're

1217
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,839
looking at

1218
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,319
so the three i'm just

1219
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,839
gonna hang in here just a little bit on

1220
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,040
the radar

1221
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,839
so the different radar stations

1222
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:27,920
what i'm trying to get at is

1223
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,880
if there was an object up at possibly

1224
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,560
satellite height because satellites can

1225
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,440
go way way high but um

1226
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:38,000
but possibly at say lower satellite

1227
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,200
height

1228
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,720
in elevation

1229
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,720
are there radars that could capture

1230
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,240
something like that that's what i was

1231
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,000
trying to get at do you know

1232
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,400
you're asking the wrong guy i

1233
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,880
don't know i we were just following

1234
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,200
procedure this is a

1235
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,119
standard operating procedure you call

1236
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,720
one person they say no you check for

1237
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,079
this person okay we'll check with that

1238
00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:00,240
person yeah okay person says check on

1239
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,520
that person okay we'll check on that

1240
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,880
person that's what we were doing we were

1241
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,640
just checking off

1242
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:05,839
what we were going through the

1243
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,000
procedures and uh and this you know um

1244
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:12,079
we're thinking like a us military ship

1245
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:12,960
we're

1246
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,880
first we were ticketed casually because

1247
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,560
it just looked like an aircraft or

1248
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,319
aircraft flying along

1249
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,599
but

1250
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,960
when

1251
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,599
the last radar said we don't know what

1252
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,520
you're looking at that's when we all

1253
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:29,520
were looking at them that's when we all

1254
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,589
and the sensation

1255
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:37,920
i don't know maybe i maybe it's just my

1256
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,960
own feeling but the sensation was

1257
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:42,560
they picked up that we were looking at

1258
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,200
them or something and they decided to

1259
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:47,040
change course all of a sudden

1260
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:48,480
yeah

1261
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,520
i mean

1262
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,040
i've never seen anything maneuver like

1263
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,560
that in my life

1264
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,359
right

1265
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,880
i've never seen anybody that could be

1266
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,720
moving along and then make a 90-degree

1267
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,400
turn without hesitation

1268
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,560
and just

1269
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,359
gone and i mean they were

1270
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,359
gone like that would you say that they

1271
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,520
were gone like in a streak or were they

1272
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,760
gone like vanish

1273
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,119
uh

1274
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,760
both streak and vanish

1275
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,560
yeah

1276
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,720
they just like

1277
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,640
zoomed out i mean

1278
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:20,560
the minute they made that turn they were

1279
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:24,079
they took off i mean they just like zap

1280
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,119
and we

1281
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,480
that's when i started yelling dead

1282
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,640
breaking dead assuming that they would

1283
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,920
appear

1284
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,920
at a certain direction dead wrecking

1285
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,440
means you you're following you're trying

1286
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,480
to follow their direction

1287
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,720
so you i was yelling dead wrecking dead

1288
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,880
reckoning and we all kind of aimed our

1289
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,400
binoculars where we thought they might

1290
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,599
be next

1291
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,960
but they were not

1292
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,200
they were totally totally gone

1293
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,599
yeah so did this thing did this thing

1294
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,480
fly in the same structure v like you

1295
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,160
never saw that change

1296
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,240
like what i'm trying to ask you it

1297
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,960
looked like possibly like a triangular

1298
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:00,160
shape

1299
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,680
it was a v they were uh they were a v

1300
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,480
like this yeah so it's one two three

1301
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,960
four five lights

1302
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,960
yeah one point and two on the side

1303
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,359
yeah now here's here's something someone

1304
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,440
called in one time and posed a very good

1305
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,520
question and that why would they have

1306
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,040
lights

1307
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,440
you know i'm i'm not i'm not asking that

1308
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,000
question but i'm just saying that is a

1309
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,240
very good question if if whatever it is

1310
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,960
traveled whatever it is to get here and

1311
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,160
it's like

1312
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:34,000
way up there why would they bother to

1313
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,880
have

1314
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,119
lights they don't need lights but but

1315
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:39,280
obviously these things seem to have

1316
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,240
lights

1317
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,270
five dots lit up

1318
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,440
yeah it's almost like whatever it is is

1319
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,839
not afraid that someone is seeing it and

1320
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,760
it's almost like here i am

1321
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:53,359
you can see

1322
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:00,790
and i you know i think one of the

1323
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:03,280
this is what like that

1324
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,079
yeah

1325
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,640
well i could tell you're an artist

1326
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,079
yep

1327
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,599
i can tell you are an artist if you can

1328
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,640
draw that quickly and that evenly

1329
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,040
well it's it was embedded in my mind i

1330
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,440
mean it it really

1331
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,040
it after that incident i was i have to

1332
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,920
admit to you i was very pro

1333
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,079
pro navy pro government bro everything

1334
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,760
that when i was in the navy i mean we

1335
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:29,119
were

1336
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,119
this was why i was on my second tour uh

1337
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,760
we were on our our second cruise to the

1338
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,000
vietnam area vietnamese area

1339
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,359
so we were very uh how should i say

1340
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,359
positive about what we were doing i mean

1341
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,240
we felt very positive there was no

1342
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:48,960
we did have a one conscious objector on

1343
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,599
the ship and he jumped off the ship uh

1344
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,960
in a

1345
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,720
serious situation

1346
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,880
he jumped off the ship

1347
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,839
yeah

1348
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,400
like he was gone forever no no we picked

1349
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:03,119
him up

1350
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,400
oh my god

1351
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:06,480
wow well i'll tell you the situation we

1352
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:07,599
were uh

1353
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,319
assisting uh vietnamese marines uh

1354
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,559
landing where vietnamese marines were

1355
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,599
conducting a landing on this beach area

1356
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:17,440
and we were to provide gunfire support

1357
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,400
for them

1358
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,400
and um

1359
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,480
so we're waiting for

1360
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,079
i'm on the bridge at the time i was in

1361
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:26,160
my battle station at that point uh we

1362
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,359
switched our battle stations the

1363
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,720
navigators were always switching their

1364
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:30,000
battle stations sometimes we'll be on

1365
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,359
the bridge we've been after steering

1366
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,880
we'd be in the

1367
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,880
secondary con we were always moving

1368
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,079
around and just

1369
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,839
give ourselves a little bit of variety

1370
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,359
so this time i was on the bridge and we

1371
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,319
were conducting this uh

1372
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,480
these vietnamese marines landed on with

1373
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,960
little boats and stuff and we were going

1374
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,040
to go to gunfire support while we were

1375
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,160
waiting for the orders for to open fire

1376
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,319
uh we kept hearing somebody yelling i am

1377
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,559
a conscientious objector i am against

1378
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,400
the war of vietnam we're looking around

1379
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,839
what the hell is that

1380
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,599
who the hell is yelling finally somebody

1381
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,680
said look up on the mask we looked up at

1382
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,280
the mass and there's this guy at the

1383
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,119
very top of the mass

1384
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,200
and we're going slow

1385
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,960
because we're on gunfire support so the

1386
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,880
ship is yelling back and forth so the

1387
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,960
mass is going like this

1388
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,200
so i'm thinking or if that guy jumps the

1389
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:20,000
wrong time he's going to hit the deck

1390
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,440
right but you know he's going to have to

1391
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,680
wait till the ship yells over the ocean

1392
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,440
then he's going to have to do his jump

1393
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:27,359
and that's what we want to jump too

1394
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,559
that's a very high problem i thought

1395
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,119
this you know i hope he jumps in deep

1396
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,119
water hits deep water because there's a

1397
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:37,839
lot of shoals we were in an area and

1398
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,200
they showed the mark with bamboo sticks

1399
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,559
sticking out the fishermen the

1400
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,319
vietnamese fishermen have been sick

1401
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,000
sticking out of the water

1402
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,640
so we have to maneuver away from them

1403
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,280
and so he jumped and

1404
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,319
we had to call off what we were doing uh

1405
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:56,319
to rescue him because now we had a man

1406
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:57,359
overboard

1407
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,160
right

1408
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,160
so we rescued him brought him aboard the

1409
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:03,119
ship people were really angry with him

1410
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,720
it was

1411
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,680
[Music]

1412
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,359
some intended violence towards them

1413
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,520
because we were in a combat situation

1414
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,760
and here's this guy jumping off and

1415
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,200
we've been waiting for this combat

1416
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,040
situation for so long and finally here

1417
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,520
we are getting into action and this guy

1418
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,760
disrupts it by jumping off the ship

1419
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,240
so captain broad they brought him up to

1420
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,839
the bridge he's soaking wet the captain

1421
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,680
looks at him he says you're lucky that

1422
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,640
congress has not declared war

1423
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,720
uh because if anything we would if this

1424
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,400
was desertion under fire we would have

1425
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,839
just shot him

1426
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,559
geez wow this is under fire

1427
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,520
wow uh going back uh to

1428
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,079
here's the uh a question has your guest

1429
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,079
had a sighting since we will talk about

1430
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,680
that later after the break we're going

1431
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:47,680
into the break here in just a couple of

1432
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,880
minutes and it's a five minute break um

1433
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,559
but uh

1434
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,119
now you did i hear you say that there

1435
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,119
was you knew someone else that also had

1436
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,720
a uh an encounter during the war yeah

1437
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,359
one of one of the navigators uh uh told

1438
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:04,800
me that he

1439
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,359
came down and woke me up

1440
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,520
he was on watch and he said they were

1441
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,000
looking at the the ground uh because you

1442
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,079
know we'd watch the action at night we

1443
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,680
we could watch the action at night you

1444
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:18,079
know tracer's going back and forth uh

1445
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:19,280
you know it's

1446
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,240
uh

1447
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,800
who that's the board and he said that

1448
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,720
there was an amber light

1449
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,200
that flicked went back and forth

1450
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,520
was going back and forth an amber light

1451
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,040
and then that the amber lot shot

1452
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,119
straight up and took off

1453
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,720
disappeared

1454
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,839
wow so it's an amber light so i i said

1455
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,200
well there's only

1456
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,040
according to the us navy there's only

1457
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:43,040
two kinds of

1458
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,880
have amber lights

1459
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,640
one is a submarine

1460
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:50,640
and the other one is a hovercraft

1461
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,680
hovercraft don't shoot straight up

1462
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,720
yeah

1463
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,920
so

1464
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:57,599
he and he said it was the weirdest thing

1465
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,319
man

1466
00:53:01,270 --> 00:53:00,079
kept going back and forth back and forth

1467
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,280
really fast and then they're all going

1468
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,680
to just like chew straight up

1469
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,040
and i was like are you waking me up for

1470
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,670
so what's up oh

1471
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,520
so this happened on the same ship or

1472
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,520
another ship that you were on

1473
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:15,280
same same same time

1474
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,920
yeah did you start to like question like

1475
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:20,400
what the heck is going on here i mean

1476
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:23,359
uh we did and you know ice had a

1477
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:26,319
roommate who was first air cav

1478
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,720
and he told me about a time

1479
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,720
they were out in the field

1480
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,720
because i told the story about the ufo

1481
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,680
thing

1482
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,839
and then he said you know

1483
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,960
and the the funny thing is

1484
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,680
we had provided uh gunfire support for

1485
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,680
this for this uh

1486
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,680
this first air cab in fact we have

1487
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,839
provided shotgun support in other words

1488
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:51,599
they were driving along what is highway

1489
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,960
one in vietnam and we were going along

1490
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,280
the water providing gunfire support

1491
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,000
protecting them and he remembered

1492
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,839
the number on my ship and wrote to me he

1493
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,079
says is your ship number 684 and i wrote

1494
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,839
back yeah that's my ship sorry you guys

1495
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,800
were providing gunfire uh providing a

1496
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,960
shotgun for us or you were writing

1497
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:13,040
shotgun for us and i'm like wow it's

1498
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:13,920
incident

1499
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,400
talking this is after we got out of the

1500
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,559
service he was my roommate when i was

1501
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,880
going to our school and um we were

1502
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,960
talking and he said you know what a

1503
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,559
weird thing happened to us and i said

1504
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,559
what was that he said we were on the

1505
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,640
field it was at night and all of a

1506
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,920
sudden this

1507
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:34,240
big black thing

1508
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,680
went over us real slow

1509
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:40,400
and he said and the pressure he said all

1510
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,079
of a sudden all of us just all of us

1511
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,680
just laid down

1512
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,319
oh my god and it just like went over us

1513
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,000
and then it just passed

1514
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,520
and it was i can't believe you're saying

1515
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,319
this because it was a it was a dark

1516
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,640
black thing he said it went over

1517
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,720
he said he said we literally had to lay

1518
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,760
down

1519
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,920
yes this is uh this is really

1520
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:02,079
fascinating because i have a guest from

1521
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,440
australia

1522
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,520
that is going to be talking you know

1523
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,559
briefly um on my show

1524
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,520
about something very similar she told me

1525
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,359
the story about

1526
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,079
years ago

1527
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,920
that her and her grandmother were in

1528
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,359
their garden

1529
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,040
and this black

1530
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,440
triangle floated very slowly over them

1531
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,960
and made the pressure like they had to

1532
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:26,799
go lay down on the ground

1533
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,829
yeah yeah

1534
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,680
you have to realize this is all the same

1535
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:35,520
year 66

1536
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,319
wow

1537
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,559
well we have to go it's time for us to

1538
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,200
go into commercial break and it's a

1539
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,400
treat for those of you uh on youtube

1540
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:47,200
and uh also on facebook watching

1541
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,240
because we have a five minute clip

1542
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,400
about a ufo sighting

1543
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,200
um that happened outside of detroit and

1544
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,520
it's pretty interesting so for those of

1545
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:00,480
you over at kgr a radio we'll be right

1546
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,950
all right so i'm with mark richard and

1547
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,480
he had a sighting outside of the

1548
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:16,079
building you're in right now you're

1549
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,119
working

1550
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,839
right now yes i'm actually i i live and

1551
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,920
work in the uh building i'm the head of

1552
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,079
maintenance for the apartment building

1553
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,040
so uh my sighting actually happened

1554
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,000
back in 2008 i don't have the exact date

1555
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:31,680
but i think it was somewhere late

1556
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,440
october early november of 2008

1557
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,599
and can you explain exactly something

1558
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:39,680
caught your eye out the window

1559
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,559
yes uh i was working at the time i think

1560
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,280
it was maybe around 2 p.m or so and uh

1561
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:47,200
it was a bright sunny day not a cloud in

1562
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,400
the sky

1563
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,480
something kept reflecting light into my

1564
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,920
eye every time i would look up from my

1565
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,920
work this something out the window is

1566
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,920
reflecting this light into my eye after

1567
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,359
about the third or fourth time of this

1568
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,799
happening i'm getting a little annoyed

1569
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,359
and i walked over to the window uh this

1570
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:03,119
old historic building we have huge

1571
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:04,079
windows

1572
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:05,040
uh

1573
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,400
walked over to the window and i'm

1574
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,079
looking at this thing i can see it i'm

1575
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,520
in downtown detroit i've been here for

1576
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,760
several years so i'm used to seeing

1577
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:13,200
traffic copters i thought it was a

1578
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,480
traffic copter it looked like it was

1579
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:16,880
over the expressway out there maybe like

1580
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,280
a mile and a half two miles out it was

1581
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,319
out there a little ways um so i lay eyes

1582
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:24,079
on this thing and pretty much as soon as

1583
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,960
i do

1584
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:27,200
it starts moving towards kind of my

1585
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,720
general direction

1586
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:30,000
and i'm still thinking at the time this

1587
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:34,000
is a helicopter it's annoying uh

1588
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,760
with the clip that this thing moved

1589
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,760
towards me i'm starting to second guess

1590
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,520
now is this a helicopter or not because

1591
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,599
this thing was covering this mile and a

1592
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:43,119
half two miles

1593
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:47,440
very quickly within seconds it was

1594
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,559
it was

1595
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,319
outside of my building

1596
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,200
and slowly coming towards me

1597
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:55,599
uh to the point where this craft i've

1598
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,880
got i'm now in full view of a craft

1599
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,440
that is um hovering outside of my i'm on

1600
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,079
the 13th story of an 18 story building

1601
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:05,440
this thing's hovering outside of my

1602
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:08,880
window it starts to rotate up

1603
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,680
so that i it's now sort of 90 degrees to

1604
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:13,599
me where i'm looking directly at the

1605
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,480
bottom of this craft it's got three

1606
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,200
large white lights on the bottom and a

1607
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:21,040
smaller red light in the center that's

1608
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:22,720
kind of pulsing

1609
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,119
and this thing starts to

1610
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,079
rotate clockwise and the three white

1611
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,040
lights start flashing a pattern

1612
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,880
and it's rotating and the pattern's

1613
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,319
going a little bit faster and a little

1614
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,599
bit faster

1615
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:38,720
and then the outside edges of these

1616
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,000
white lights start to flash in colors so

1617
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,520
now i'm getting every color of the

1618
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,440
rainbow it reminded me one of those

1619
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,280
simon games from back in the 80s where

1620
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,480
he tried to hit

1621
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:50,880
hit the colors it was right something

1622
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,920
like that as it's rotating and it's

1623
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,280
speeding up

1624
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:57,520
to by the time this thing was at full

1625
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,040
bore it was just a blur of light

1626
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,280
like the most vivid bright

1627
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,880
colorful light

1628
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,480
and um

1629
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,280
at that point i kind of felt like i was

1630
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:11,280
being sort of mesmerized or being kind

1631
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,400
of drawn in mentally by this thing and

1632
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,400
it made me pause and it made me sort of

1633
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,720
put almost a mental block right there

1634
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,119
where i said hold on what's what's going

1635
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,359
on here this is obviously very strange

1636
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:25,440
um i've never seen anything like this

1637
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:26,319
before

1638
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,760
and um

1639
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,359
when i did that when i kind of put a

1640
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,200
mental stop to it and kind of put the

1641
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,359
brakes on things mentally uh the

1642
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:34,960
flashing lights stopped

1643
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:38,480
the the craft slowly rotated back down

1644
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,200
to uh an upright position and it just

1645
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:43,920
kind of floated off to my right hand

1646
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:47,040
side and kind of floated around the

1647
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:48,400
building to where i couldn't see it

1648
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,359
anymore

1649
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:51,440
i was expecting to see this thing shoot

1650
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,280
off into space or something it never did

1651
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,200
it just uh it just kind of floated off

1652
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,359
slowly i tried to keep my eye on it for

1653
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,599
as long as i could and once i lost sight

1654
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:01,760
of it i actually ran down

1655
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,960
to uh the street level to try to get

1656
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:07,040
outside and get my eyes back on it but i

1657
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:08,480
had lost it at that point and it was

1658
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:09,680
gone

1659
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,480
wow

1660
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,559
well uh we're already up to four minutes

1661
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,040
oh gosh that's okay well that's all

1662
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,640
right uh we'll be running a little bit

1663
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,400
longer of a commercial that day we'll

1664
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,559
run it uh four minutes and 30 seconds

1665
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,880
bill always likes it over at kgra when i

1666
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:25,040
can run uh longer but we're out of time

1667
01:00:34,550 --> 01:00:26,640
now mark thank you so much that's a

1668
01:01:06,950 --> 01:00:49,000
[Music]

1669
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,240
stand by martin

1670
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:15,510
[Music]

1671
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,280
in three two one go

1672
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,000
all right welcome back uh bill probably

1673
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,559
really liked that when i said that we

1674
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,799
like he they like the long breaks over

1675
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,720
at kgra radio

1676
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,040
for the commercials but anyway uh back

1677
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,480
with my guest uh alfred thank you alfred

1678
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,480
again for uh talking about this it's

1679
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,520
always i always enjoy people that

1680
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,760
have never talked about this before and

1681
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:44,000
it's something new and fresh

1682
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,000
something very interesting actually the

1683
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,160
last encounter you told me about this

1684
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,760
black thing and then the pressure and

1685
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,400
those people like push him to the ground

1686
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:55,440
i think that's so fascinating because

1687
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:58,240
um you're going back to 1966

1688
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:59,920
and uh the woman that'll be on the show

1689
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:01,799
i think we're going back to the late

1690
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,240
1970s when she was young

1691
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:07,200
and so these things you know p people

1692
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,039
can say all they want about

1693
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,039
you know secret military craft black

1694
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:13,520
projects things like that but did could

1695
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,640
they possibly possibly have had that

1696
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:18,000
technology

1697
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,319
starting in 1966

1698
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,280
that would never be used by us in any

1699
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,359
type of situation you know what what are

1700
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:27,280
your thoughts on that

1701
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,319
well uh i don't know i i it just makes

1702
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,480
me wonder i mean i have read quite a bit

1703
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,640
about the german technology and world

1704
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,319
war ii and what they were working on and

1705
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,079
of course you know there's speculation

1706
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,680
that the germans that were developing

1707
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,200
the ufo and

1708
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,359
they read some accounts but they

1709
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:45,359
actually flew a craft

1710
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,640
uh in uh i believe it was in prague

1711
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,960
uh czechoslovakia they flew a craft and

1712
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:53,760
it went up to 2000 miles per hour but

1713
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,079
all speculation we really don't know if

1714
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:57,920
that really happened because they

1715
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,640
destroyed all the records of that of

1716
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:02,319
that uh craft because they didn't want

1717
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,599
the russians to get a hold of it or

1718
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,799
something like that

1719
01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:06,000
and then there's some people that

1720
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,680
believe the uh ufos that were cited in

1721
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:11,280
1946 the first ufo

1722
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,079
where the term flying saucer was used uh

1723
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:16,400
by that photo by the pilot in uh

1724
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,359
washington i believe 47 right yeah yeah

1725
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,200
and they

1726
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,520
uh that there is some connection with

1727
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:26,240
british intelligence that was working in

1728
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,640
that area of british columbia i don't

1729
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:31,200
know there's a lot of things i've read

1730
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,039
and i've always read these things with a

1731
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:35,119
grain of salt you know i kind of like

1732
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:36,559
okay uh

1733
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,480
do you have the even when i look at a

1734
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:40,319
photograph i i

1735
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,039
i i wonder about it i have to show you

1736
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:45,440
what started this thing with with uh

1737
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,480
with lufon and i was um

1738
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:50,640
back in april of this year

1739
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:54,480
um i'm an artist and i saw a cloud that

1740
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,000
had this incredible yellowish tinge to

1741
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:00,319
it and i said wow that is a really wild

1742
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,720
yellow and it's so pale i wonder if i

1743
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,880
can catch it with the camera so i went

1744
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:07,680
and grabbed my camera and i shot a

1745
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,559
picture of it can i show you the picture

1746
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,200
uh oh yes matter of fact um you can send

1747
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,200
the picture to me and i will put it in

1748
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,319
the show notes permanently

1749
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,640
go ahead and hold that up right now

1750
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:23,039
here's the picture i took of the cloud

1751
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:24,000
yep

1752
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,000
uh i didn't notice anything until i

1753
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:30,240
downloaded the camera

1754
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,280
and saw this little black speck

1755
01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:35,200
i don't know if you can see it i can see

1756
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:37,359
it yep you got to hold it up more but

1757
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,319
yeah

1758
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,720
and i saw that little black spark and i

1759
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:43,200
go what the heck is that

1760
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:45,039
i see that was i didn't see that i

1761
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,480
didn't see it

1762
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,160
when i took the photograph i didn't see

1763
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:50,720
it the photograph was shot at five

1764
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:53,680
sixths of a second i mean five six uh

1765
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,200
focal uh uh opening was five sixth of

1766
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:59,920
and the speed was one five hundredth of

1767
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,039
a second

1768
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,839
i took two photographs uh this one and

1769
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,520
then a shot of zoom back and took

1770
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,760
another shot but the second shot the

1771
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:09,920
object is gone

1772
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:11,680
so here's a

1773
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:14,319
close-up of it

1774
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:16,400
i can't see it it's got to come up

1775
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,559
got to come up there you go

1776
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:20,880
there okay

1777
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,760
so um

1778
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,920
so when you when when the investigator

1779
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:26,960
came

1780
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:29,039
um the person that connected us to

1781
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,400
together

1782
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:33,119
did did he rule out

1783
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:35,039
i know this sounds really bizarre but

1784
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:39,839
did he rule out either an insect or bird

1785
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,720
no in fact they called it the the they

1786
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:44,799
called it a blurfo

1787
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,309
that's it i have never heard of that

1788
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,119
term blurfolk and they sent me a long

1789
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:55,200
explanation of what a blurful was it

1790
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:01,589
and i and i looked at the photograph and

1791
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:02,480
i said

1792
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,280
that's got to be a really large insect

1793
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,760
because that thing was further away than

1794
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,039
the cloud

1795
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,440
it almost seemed to be in the same

1796
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:13,520
distance as the cloud

1797
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:17,039
and both uh robert fresconi and i both

1798
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:18,480
noticed that there was a kind of a

1799
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:21,839
little trail a very very very slight

1800
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:22,799
trail

1801
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,599
uh behind this object and i said i don't

1802
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:27,520
know what i what i photograph i didn't

1803
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:29,599
see it i never saw the object this thing

1804
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:30,640
was between

1805
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,520
1 500th of a second so you know

1806
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:36,640
beyond my high speed

1807
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,119
so and uh that's what started this whole

1808
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,000
thing so once we started i met with mr

1809
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:44,000
right i met over the phone with mr

1810
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,119
fresco

1811
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:47,520
uh we started talking about it and then

1812
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,240
he asked me if i had any other

1813
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,400
other experiences and i told him about

1814
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,559
my navy experiences and then he told me

1815
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,559
you and that's how we got that's where

1816
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,920
we are now

1817
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:58,880
yeah

1818
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,440
i i think um i think one of the most

1819
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,680
interesting aspects of

1820
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:05,760
your first encounter is that the ship's

1821
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:08,559
log was missing after that

1822
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:09,359
yeah

1823
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,640
i thought it was very very strange that

1824
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,720
somebody would take the ship's log

1825
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:17,280
yeah i mean had that ever happened prior

1826
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:18,799
or

1827
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:20,720
had you ever noticed that happening at

1828
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:24,240
any other time no no never ever

1829
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,200
yeah

1830
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,200
you know and we would

1831
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:29,039
you know and the ship's laws were big

1832
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,119
you know they're like about uh eight and

1833
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:32,799
a half by fourteen

1834
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,760
you know

1835
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,920
pound and all that stuff and and on the

1836
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,359
front you have a start date when you

1837
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,119
start the log and

1838
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,039
et cetera and you record everything in

1839
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,960
the ship's lawn you know joe blow cut

1840
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:44,880
his finger uh the corbin applied a

1841
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,359
band-aid he's okay he went back to work

1842
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,280
that kind of goes in the ship's lawn so

1843
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,359
every little thing that goes on in the

1844
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:53,839
ship is uh recorded so

1845
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,599
yeah of course and that's just diary in

1846
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,200
other words it's been that way for

1847
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,480
centuries yeah you know and uh you know

1848
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:02,480
so it is really odd

1849
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,000
how that

1850
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:06,079
that whole thing disappeared and you

1851
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:07,280
never saw it

1852
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,960
now let me ask you this so what do you

1853
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,520
do get a new log and you start again

1854
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,760
you know yeah once you finish the log

1855
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,760
you put the end date on it for the the

1856
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,920
last date on it you sign up and you sign

1857
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,400
it you say okay this has been signed by

1858
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:22,319
whoever finished the last log and then

1859
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,679
you put the date and they say okay give

1860
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:24,640
it to

1861
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:28,719
put it in in the

1862
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,759
log uh

1863
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,199
locker

1864
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:33,199
so then we've got a new log start new

1865
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:36,159
log first date

1866
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:37,359
so we have

1867
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,960
you know new logs

1868
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:41,279
ready to go so we never we would never

1869
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,400
run out

1870
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:43,359
right

1871
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,400
and

1872
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:46,400
what about the documentation of the

1873
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,600
second

1874
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,040
encounter

1875
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,880
that was probably put in the ship's log

1876
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,480
also i was not in charge of the ship's

1877
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,480
log at that time somebody else was in

1878
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:57,440
charge of writing that up yeah so

1879
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,839
whoever was the quartermaster at that

1880
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,920
time and i could there was

1881
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,920
well there was like uh

1882
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:05,040
four of us

1883
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,640
there was a first class petty officer of

1884
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,640
second class petty officer

1885
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,199
two seamen and myself a third class

1886
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,279
petty officer

1887
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,839
and so it was either

1888
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,279
uh it had to be one of the petty

1889
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,159
officers that was writing the log so it

1890
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,759
was either uh

1891
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,279
the second class petty officer the first

1892
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,600
class petty officer or myself and i was

1893
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:27,600
at that that time i was not writing

1894
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,789
okay so let's

1895
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,400
now i'm just going to just change the

1896
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,719
conversation a little bit so when you

1897
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,400
so when you saw

1898
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,159
this i'm asking about your personal

1899
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:43,040
experience you saw this object

1900
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:45,040
it seemed to appear to be at a very high

1901
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,799
elevation but then all of a sudden it

1902
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,799
did things you can't explain

1903
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,199
and every and you were among many

1904
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:54,239
witnesses that that saw this all saw it

1905
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,920
happen at the same time

1906
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:57,040
um

1907
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,400
what was your

1908
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:00,080
your um

1909
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,960
aftermath thoughts about what you saw

1910
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:04,960
like did you think wow you know maybe we

1911
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,040
are being visited or

1912
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:09,120
you know

1913
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,640
did you think about it

1914
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,880
i did i thought a lot about it really

1915
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,640
like i said it altered my consciousness

1916
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:16,640
it made me start to think i started to

1917
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,120
think of who the heck was it

1918
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,800
who are they

1919
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,640
well and what are they doing and why are

1920
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,560
they doing that and yeah were they

1921
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:26,719
showing off i mean that was a reverse

1922
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,760
reaction

1923
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,679
these guys showing off

1924
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:31,600
look what we can do

1925
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,480
i mean

1926
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,640
i don't know because you know i kept

1927
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,400
thinking if they had kept going straight

1928
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,400
if only they had kept going straight we

1929
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,760
would have forgotten all about it we

1930
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:41,600
were the ass oh somebody's aircraft they

1931
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,990
and we would have forgotten about it but

1932
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,520
that maneuver

1933
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,080
that 90 degree turn and then just taking

1934
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:55,120
off like that the way they did that's

1935
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,080
what

1936
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:58,560
was indelible in my mind and that kind

1937
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,520
of like

1938
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:01,600
what the hell was that

1939
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,000
yeah because we all like i said we all

1940
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,679
just looked at each other like did you

1941
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,600
just see what i just saw or am i

1942
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,840
dreaming you know it's kind of like

1943
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:12,080
holy mackerel that's that's that was

1944
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:13,840
start it was startling let's put it that

1945
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,199
way yeah it's very uh unusual i mean we

1946
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,040
were used to seeing jets we're used to

1947
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:21,440
seeing other ships

1948
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:22,239
yeah

1949
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:25,520
so you know something that out does us

1950
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:29,199
uh kind of made you feel like

1951
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,510
yeah not alone

1952
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,000
[Music]

1953
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,080
whoever that is i like the like the off

1954
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:36,480
they are this was the operations officer

1955
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,280
okay

1956
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,280
this is a full lieutenant in other words

1957
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,440
in the army you would be a captain and

1958
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,440
this was a straight

1959
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,360
kind of arrow kind of guy this is the

1960
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,679
kind of guy most officers on the ship

1961
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,280
you saluted them in the morning and that

1962
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,960
was it you were done saluting for the

1963
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,560
rest of the day

1964
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:54,239
this officer you had a salute every time

1965
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,199
song

1966
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,280
he was in an app i believe he was an

1967
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,440
annapolis guy

1968
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:00,800
you're serious

1969
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,239
yeah very sick his demeanor changed

1970
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,000
after that

1971
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:08,560
he was not as serious anymore he started

1972
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,600
to uh

1973
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,679
smile a little more

1974
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,520
i tell you his name i can even show you

1975
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,199
a picture of the officer but i i don't

1976
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:18,000
think i i should because i don't have

1977
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:19,600
permission from that

1978
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:22,640
gentleman to be showing this photograph

1979
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,000
right right um so this question this is

1980
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:27,920
another speculation could the v craft

1981
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:30,719
have been one solid crap most most most

1982
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,000
likely if it turned in an instant right

1983
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,000
and the 90 degree angle then the

1984
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:38,400
v-formation never changed right right

1985
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:39,440
never

1986
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,320
yeah

1987
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:42,000
they went they were like this and they

1988
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,360
went like that

1989
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,440
right

1990
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:48,159
and i mean not that slow

1991
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:58,149
it was almost like an elongation

1992
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:59,199
slightly

1993
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,640
like when they took off

1994
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:02,000
like

1995
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:07,679
they were gone then they were all the

1996
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,800
lights were gone

1997
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:10,080
yeah

1998
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,000
one how far

1999
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,480
off shore were you at that point

2000
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,080
well we're we were in the middle of the

2001
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,719
ocean we were traveling from midway

2002
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,320
island to guam

2003
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:24,080
we're in a part of the ocean where the

2004
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,719
charts are white because there's no land

2005
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,000
so

2006
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:30,960
in fact we were marking uh rocks we were

2007
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,080
working with sonar at the time marking

2008
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,870
in other words we're navigating and

2009
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:39,920
actually

2010
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,560
creating things for the charts

2011
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:44,000
um you know things that are there you

2012
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:45,920
know there's a rock was cited here in

2013
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,640
1953 and so such you know things like

2014
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:50,080
that would be on the chart and so we

2015
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,679
were documenting uh new things too so we

2016
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,600
could send it to the notice to mariners

2017
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,679
the notice to mariners is the

2018
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,040
international

2019
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,360
um document that goes out to all ships

2020
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,000
to see uh say a buoy's been moved 50

2021
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,080
yards this way okay so they've said on

2022
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,080
those merit oh so and so has been moved

2023
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:10,640
this way or that way it's it's always

2024
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,480
indicating any kind of uh uh

2025
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,679
change in

2026
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,120
in um

2027
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,640
navigational markers or anything like

2028
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,040
that so that was our job was always keep

2029
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,120
our charts up to date so we were always

2030
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:24,960
looking at notice to mariners

2031
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:27,520
and correcting our charts all the time

2032
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:28,960
we're correcting charts that was our

2033
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,600
daily job correcting charts

2034
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:33,520
making sure we were up today

2035
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,320
right

2036
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,480
uh bill uh that

2037
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:38,560
the kgra radio

2038
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:41,600
producer sent me a question for you i

2039
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,719
wanted to know what you thought about

2040
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,440
the military coming for not just

2041
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,440
pilots but people like himself who

2042
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,640
observed

2043
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:49,920
um

2044
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:52,640
things on naval vessels well it's about

2045
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:55,600
time i think there's probably a lot more

2046
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:58,159
out there and what i'm hoping with this

2047
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:59,360
podcast

2048
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,120
is that some of the witnesses that were

2049
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:03,040
on the destroyer

2050
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:06,320
v formation

2051
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:07,280
will

2052
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:09,360
start to acknowledge i mean you know

2053
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:12,560
there was quite a few witnesses you know

2054
01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:15,440
there was two definitely two officers uh

2055
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,310
uh a full lieutenant and a uh ensign uh

2056
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,960
[Music]

2057
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,719
junior officer of the deck

2058
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,880
so i know

2059
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:27,520
they all saw the same thing i saw

2060
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,480
yeah

2061
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:30,480
so i won't be maybe one of them will

2062
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,199
remember it or remember the ball i i did

2063
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:35,040
ask one of the other navigators if they

2064
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,120
remember the ball incident he couldn't

2065
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:39,679
remember yeah i'm just wondering you

2066
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,640
know how

2067
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,719
you know if if we if that's like

2068
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:45,120
selective thinking or or you know i

2069
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:46,000
don't know

2070
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,000
that you know people would remember

2071
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:52,320
us turning the ship off because that is

2072
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,320
one of the eeriest feeling to have in

2073
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,480
the middle of the middle of the water

2074
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,400
and all of a sudden there's nothing you

2075
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,480
have no engine you're used to the

2076
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:02,400
the ship's sounds all the time the

2077
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,239
engines are going right we're used to a

2078
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,960
certain hum in the ship

2079
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:08,640
and all you hear is the water lapping on

2080
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,239
the side of the water out of the side of

2081
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,640
the ship you kind of like really feel

2082
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,760
eerie

2083
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:14,560
yeah

2084
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,320
you're not under power

2085
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:19,920
you know i've heard of of people that

2086
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,320
have had you know actual ufo encounters

2087
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,960
and the people that they witnessed with

2088
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,640
said they don't remember which is pretty

2089
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:28,080
bizarre

2090
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:28,880
you know

2091
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:30,960
well it makes me wonder

2092
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:32,480
if they

2093
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:35,120
were in shock

2094
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:36,080
they just

2095
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,520
pushed that out of their mind they don't

2096
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,800
want they don't want to remember it

2097
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,920
because it

2098
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,080
it is kind of a scary thing i mean you

2099
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:44,640
know we were kind of a little i was a

2100
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:47,199
little freaked out about it when you say

2101
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,320
you know you just saw something they

2102
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,320
make a 90-degree turn and

2103
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:52,560
disappears

2104
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:53,520
yeah

2105
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,120
that's unusual

2106
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:57,679
i i have seen other things like that

2107
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:00,320
where i'll be looking

2108
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:02,159
i tell people i'm a junior astronomer i

2109
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,679
became a junior astronomer i have a

2110
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,679
couple of telescopes already

2111
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:07,199
uh and um

2112
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,199
i have my standard 7x50 binoculars

2113
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,080
that i still use and i have so often

2114
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:15,920
we'll be looking at the sky and i'll see

2115
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:18,000
something like a star and i'm wondering

2116
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,840
what star is that i don't remember that

2117
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,280
star being there

2118
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,840
and all of a sudden it'll just go out

2119
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,600
it'll be like stationary light and then

2120
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,280
those that just goes out

2121
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:29,280
and i go okay that's not a satellite i

2122
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,719
know what satellites look like

2123
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,960
satellites keep moving in one direction

2124
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,320
they don't they don't maneuver

2125
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,000
satellites do not maneuver

2126
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,199
they don't change properly

2127
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,800
they're in orbit

2128
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:41,840
yeah

2129
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,520
now i've heard i've had a few people

2130
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,600
tell me that they've seen satellites and

2131
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:47,280
then all of a sudden they'll

2132
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,360
move jag off um

2133
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:51,440
in one direction so

2134
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:54,560
sometimes there's an atmospheric issues

2135
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,840
that can make

2136
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:57,760
you know the lights change colors and

2137
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,000
blink and things like that which are the

2138
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,360
earth too as the satellite you know goes

2139
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,800
to the other side of the earth kind of

2140
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,800
thing they'll they'll go out

2141
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,960
oh yeah yeah that's all sun reflected

2142
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,840
yeah

2143
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:11,679
the sun even though that we don't see

2144
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:14,480
the sun it's uh the reflection is still

2145
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,280
um

2146
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:17,440
yeah from the sun up there

2147
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,239
and uh space junk two now i've never

2148
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,840
seen any space junk but i've heard

2149
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:23,360
people talk about it

2150
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:24,480
and um

2151
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,520
one one friend told me um

2152
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:29,840
a story about being on the c

2153
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:32,640
c five or c e five whatever it is has to

2154
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,320
do with uh

2155
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:36,320
stephen grier's uh

2156
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,800
famous groups that he gets together and

2157
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:41,280
to see ufos and they were they

2158
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:42,719
the person believed they were actually

2159
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,679
seeing space junk all the ufos were just

2160
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:47,760
space junk which also supposedly

2161
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,000
reflects from the sun

2162
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,760
until it gets out of range of the the

2163
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,800
sunbeam

2164
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,280
but but if it's space junk then it

2165
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,120
usually will be going in one direction

2166
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,520
it won't be unless it's falling

2167
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,760
you know falling

2168
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,840
yeah like i said i've never

2169
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,840
i've seen a lot of satellites but i've

2170
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,880
never seen

2171
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,120
what's that all right

2172
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,520
doesn't maneuver

2173
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,080
not that we know i'm not not not it's

2174
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:17,040
not supposed to uh let's see

2175
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,920
um

2176
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:19,440
well someone was asking have you ever

2177
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:26,550
whoops you there

2178
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:29,520
uh oh looks like uh looks like alfred is

2179
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,239
frozen i'm not really sure what happened

2180
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:35,679
um let me take them out bring them back

2181
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:37,120
in

2182
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,679
here for a moment

2183
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:43,840
um i'm gonna try to see if he'll come

2184
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:46,239
back in but i right now i have to

2185
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:49,199
remove him and uh bill i'm wondering if

2186
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,040
you can hear me here if you can

2187
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:53,040
uh come on the show for a couple minutes

2188
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,030
let's see uh i don't know how to do that

2189
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,600
so hopefully he'll be coming back in

2190
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:05,280
uh

2191
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:06,880
up he's gone

2192
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,080
uh

2193
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:10,159
bill are you able to talk a little bit

2194
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:11,440
chat a little bit

2195
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:17,830
i found him i find him fascinating and

2196
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,159
just from my perspective i believe him

2197
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:22,560
to be 100 authentic martin

2198
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:24,159
yeah

2199
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:25,440
i don't see why he wouldn't be you're

2200
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,120
right i mean

2201
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,440
you can body language says a lot about a

2202
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:31,280
person not just their vote you know

2203
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,480
speaking

2204
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:35,040
yeah but you you can tell i mean he's

2205
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,840
very

2206
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,360
passionate about what he's discussing

2207
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:39,840
and then when he went back

2208
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,639
um and you you kind of changed the

2209
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:45,440
perspective of the question kind of

2210
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:46,560
he still

2211
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,480
reiterated the same thing he said

2212
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:50,400
earlier

2213
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,360
yeah yeah you know

2214
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,440
interesting really interesting cases he

2215
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,800
was talking about

2216
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,120
right and i wish that people would come

2217
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,880
forward

2218
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,400
it's too bad that those people that were

2219
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,480
on the ship with him

2220
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:06,000
um i don't know if they're still alive

2221
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:07,360
you know if they're still in service

2222
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:08,560
maybe that's the reason why they're not

2223
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,800
coming forward

2224
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,560
because they're still active duty i

2225
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:13,920
don't know

2226
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,760
they would be rather quite up there in

2227
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,960
age but

2228
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:18,800
um this is the vietnam

2229
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:20,159
war era

2230
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,480
right but i think it's important that

2231
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:24,159
people like himself come forward so

2232
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:25,600
maybe that would encourage others to

2233
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,520
come forward as well

2234
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,520
that's right that's right

2235
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,360
bill i'm hearing feedback coming through

2236
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,520
your speakers when coming back through

2237
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,120
your mic i just had to mute you when i'm

2238
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,600
when i'm talking so i think your your

2239
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:39,440
speakers uh are a little bit loud there

2240
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,159
or something so i'm just gonna you're

2241
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:43,920
using a headset i don't know why i'm

2242
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,480
hearing the feedback um anyway

2243
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,960
here's a we're hoping that alfred comes

2244
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,280
back on it appeared that his internet

2245
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:54,000
did go out and there's a uh

2246
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:55,360
a question here

2247
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,800
martin did your sighting change

2248
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,800
direction yes

2249
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,440
um it did what happened ufo setting i

2250
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:02,880
had

2251
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,239
a bill i'm gonna have to mute you i

2252
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,880
don't know why but the ufo sighting that

2253
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,360
i had in uh carmel valley just drove

2254
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,760
through there the other day

2255
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,199
was

2256
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:15,520
just a craft that went over in one

2257
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:16,800
direction

2258
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,600
and stopped and just stayed you know for

2259
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,440
me at this point

2260
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:23,760
trying to remember exactly how long

2261
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:26,080
it stayed stationary

2262
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,360
i'm gonna say

2263
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:29,840
five seconds maybe and then it went off

2264
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,719
on a a very straight angle toward

2265
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,159
monterey from

2266
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,480
uh from the direction i was in so yeah i

2267
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,920
mean it changed directions but it was

2268
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:39,920
going very slow the whole time and i i

2269
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,960
can't judge the height of it so i can't

2270
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:44,560
figure out exactly

2271
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:49,189
how how far it was

2272
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,480
anyway now

2273
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:52,080
now do i still have that echo because i

2274
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:53,280
kind of changed some settings on my

2275
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,360
background yeah no we're all set now

2276
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:58,320
thank you okay now what i saw

2277
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,159
over my house

2278
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,600
and i apologize to folks that are

2279
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:03,440
watching i've had oral surgery so it's a

2280
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,960
little tough for me to have a

2281
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,960
conversation right now that's why martin

2282
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,800
mentioned that before he brought me on

2283
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,080
but um

2284
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,800
what when i captured that over my house

2285
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,560
it curved down

2286
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:16,239
curved back up

2287
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:18,840
curved a little to the right

2288
01:23:23,310 --> 01:23:21,440
stopped gone

2289
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:23,320
i think that was swamp gas

2290
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:26,480
[Laughter]

2291
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,920
but i mean i will never say

2292
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,000
it's extraterrestrial

2293
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:34,239
or interdimensional

2294
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,600
because it's unclear it was way up there

2295
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,199
there's no way to discern what the

2296
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,440
object was

2297
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:43,760
and it could be a drone because you

2298
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,880
mentioned something remember he

2299
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:46,239
mentioned about satellites being

2300
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:47,840
stationary

2301
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,560
yeah or going in orbit

2302
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:52,800
geosynchronous whatever

2303
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:54,719
right now we know that under development

2304
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,760
by the world powers let's just say

2305
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:59,760
with the controlled hypersonic missiles

2306
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,600
that are going on where they can

2307
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:03,600
actually control

2308
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:06,400
the traject trajectory of this

2309
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,760
projectile

2310
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,560
or whatever the platform they're using

2311
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:12,480
i would not be surprised there's uh

2312
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,239
drones that they're using in space also

2313
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,719
satellites can move there are killer

2314
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,199
satellites out there martin that they

2315
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,280
can actually

2316
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:26,080
connect and throw off other satellites

2317
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,520
you can look it up

2318
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,520
they call killer satellites

2319
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,960
um they can move toward another

2320
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:32,880
satellite to take it out

2321
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:35,280
so just because we think that maybe you

2322
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,000
know

2323
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:39,120
a satellite goes in an orbit there

2324
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,639
trust me you know they're doing all

2325
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,480
kinds of stuff up there that the public

2326
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:44,560
isn't aware of

2327
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,960
that that very well that's kind of scary

2328
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,120
it is but i'm just saying you have to

2329
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,280
think about all the possibilities

2330
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,440
my and i think a lot of people that are

2331
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,840
watching right now would say we need to

2332
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,600
deal with all the possible rational

2333
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,480
explanations

2334
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,120
before coming to a conclusion where

2335
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:05,840
now we've eliminated all those

2336
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,280
possibilities now what is it

2337
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,280
right no and that's the things that need

2338
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:13,120
to be investigated

2339
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,199
but with all the stuff that all these

2340
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,360
countries are testing right now

2341
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,199
um i mean i'm just a person that

2342
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,520
believes a lot of the stuff that we see

2343
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,159
uh is natural phenomenon

2344
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,560
uh man-made phenomenon

2345
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:28,000
right um

2346
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,679
and man-made in top-secret

2347
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,159
experimental level

2348
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:38,870
that's just my opinion

2349
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,199
yeah but i'm sure there's a small

2350
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,880
percentage

2351
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,480
that fits under that category is

2352
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:49,669
that's right um well while we're at this

2353
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:51,520
juncture i'm just going to say too i'm

2354
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:53,679
not getting an email email or any

2355
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:55,679
correspondence from

2356
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,880
from um our guest i'm not sure if he's

2357
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,719
coming back on if he's just you know his

2358
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,040
internet's gone who knows i had a

2359
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,960
situation where someone was on years ago

2360
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:05,760
and

2361
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:08,800
um that i think their house got struck

2362
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,719
by lightning or something wow

2363
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,400
and they were they were gone that was

2364
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:14,159
definitely a government plan i'm sure

2365
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,600
you know well he was i'll tell you one

2366
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,400
thing he is a fascinating guest i agree

2367
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,320
with pamela in chat

2368
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:22,719
and i told you privately in chat i find

2369
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:25,600
this discussion fascinating yeah

2370
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,400
yeah i've always liked and and um

2371
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:30,880
and by the way uh you know i have uh

2372
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,280
some recordings already of people that

2373
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,360
had a ufo encounter i like to run these

2374
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,760
during the the breaks if you'd like to

2375
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:40,159
uh if you'd like to email me and tell me

2376
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:41,920
about your ufo encounter if i think we

2377
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,880
can do

2378
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:45,040
a clip about it i will do that and my

2379
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:49,040
email address is martin podcast ufo.com

2380
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,920
so also i got to say um the guests that

2381
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,000
i was supposed to have uh for this

2382
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,520
coming next week

2383
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,159
i have not heard back from so

2384
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,159
if you are curious what our guest is

2385
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:02,000
going to be each week then all you have

2386
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:04,239
to do is go to podcastufo.com

2387
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:05,840
go over to the sidebar

2388
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:09,280
and subscribe to our weekly newsletter

2389
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,080
and

2390
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:12,400
then each week you'll get a link to the

2391
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,159
blog and a link to the guest information

2392
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,800
so i'm not sure bill if our guest is

2393
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,400
coming back or not

2394
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,719
well if anybody i mean if you would like

2395
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,199
to call in i can jump off and take your

2396
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,120
calls if you have calls for martin

2397
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,440
hopefully um yeah we can try you can

2398
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,800
drive

2399
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:32,400
his guest will come back and if his

2400
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,199
guest comes back you can ask questions

2401
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:37,280
whoops sorry about that bill that's all

2402
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,560
right we're just hearing some echoing

2403
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:40,000
again um

2404
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,760
all right so what i'm going to do is i'm

2405
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,280
going to put up here is the phone number

2406
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:46,320
for anyone would like to call in um that

2407
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,320
number is uh

2408
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,600
855-472-5483 if you want to call in now

2409
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:54,080
and talk about oh basically anything the

2410
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:55,440
direction that

2411
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:59,040
the ufo topic seems to be headed in

2412
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,239
some people want to talk about

2413
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:02,639
disclosure i have mixed feelings about

2414
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,600
that that actual word uh i'm not really

2415
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,400
sure wait now that you say that

2416
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:10,560
wasn't tonight the night that they had

2417
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,360
something at the national press club yes

2418
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,520
that's correct um bill

2419
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,760
bob salas who was on the show a while

2420
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,440
back it is tonight i was trying to find

2421
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,440
out more information about that just

2422
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,440
before we went on the air and it's

2423
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,440
supposed to be he's back in

2424
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:27,520
is it where where's the national

2425
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:30,719
washington dc yes i actually may have a

2426
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:33,840
link to the live youtube stream

2427
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:35,440
peter robinson

2428
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:36,800
yeah i'm gonna send it to you this way

2429
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:39,600
i'll put it in the private chat but um

2430
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:43,199
peter robbins is the only person there

2431
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:44,560
that is

2432
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:48,719
technically in the field of ufology

2433
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,440
but he sent me a link and i'll try to

2434
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:53,280
pull it up while we're on the air and

2435
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,560
then you could share it to that stream

2436
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,719
yeah that sounds like a good idea yeah

2437
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,159
and i think a lot of people would find

2438
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,480
that fascinating

2439
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:04,320
um not to watch

2440
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:05,120
yeah

2441
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,400
so i'll

2442
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:08,719
i'll look it up i think

2443
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:12,080
i may have it here it is

2444
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,840
so i'm going to click on the link myself

2445
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,760
so i can grab it

2446
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,320
and i'm going to mute

2447
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,239
so we don't hear it on the air oh my god

2448
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,560
someone says they think i'm on the wacky

2449
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,040
weed isn't that funny

2450
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,120
well you know maybe that would help i

2451
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:29,760
might try that uh next time but thank

2452
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:32,080
you for that larry all right there is

2453
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:33,199
the link

2454
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:34,159
all right

2455
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,840
it it was this morning actually martin

2456
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:38,880
okay

2457
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,159
but you can go there and watch it folks

2458
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:43,920
all right i will um

2459
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,880
let's see

2460
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:46,239
how

2461
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,239
skype this way you can no no that's fine

2462
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,560
i have a i have an idea what to do but

2463
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,320
uh okay um

2464
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:56,639
but it was from 8 30 to 11 this morning

2465
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:58,639
so it's two and a half hours

2466
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,000
and

2467
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,080
yeah we do have a caller so you can take

2468
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:03,840
me off so

2469
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:07,120
i do have a caller yes so

2470
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,920
get me off so i can answer the phone

2471
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,600
have a great night everybody all right

2472
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:13,199
but i got to bring you back in when the

2473
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,120
caller yeah i'll take myself off camera

2474
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:16,880
all right

2475
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:21,040
have a caller into the show

2476
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:22,880
thank you for our patience i'm only can

2477
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,600
only guess that somehow

2478
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,600
um our

2479
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,440
guest tonight lost his internet that's

2480
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,440
unfortunate um it was a great

2481
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,239
conversation i'll keep my eyes up open

2482
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:37,120
to see if he comes back

2483
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,280
and hopefully he will come back

2484
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:41,120
but right now we have uh

2485
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:42,719
someone bill is taking screening the

2486
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:43,520
call

2487
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:47,360
um that number again right up on the

2488
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:54,550
was it harry or larry that said he

2489
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:56,159
thought i was on the wacky weed but

2490
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:57,360
anyway

2491
01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:00,840
um hopefully it was larry and we have

2492
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,159
harry from louisiana welcome to the show

2493
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,000
you're live all in

2494
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,719
on that number again

2495
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:10,159
472.

2496
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:12,239
all right

2497
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,920
have to happen uh harry you're gonna

2498
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,520
have to mute your

2499
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:19,120
show you're watching the show live

2500
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:20,639
obviously

2501
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:23,520
uh so harry mute mute the show please

2502
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:25,120
mute the show

2503
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,199
and uh bella hopefully you can remember

2504
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:29,840
to tell people to do

2505
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:31,679
we got a couple calls but right now we

2506
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,719
have uh how are you there

2507
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,239
yeah i am yes

2508
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:38,239
hi welcome to the show you have a

2509
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:40,320
question or you want to talk about a

2510
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,400
topic

2511
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:45,840
i was uh interested in the uh triangle

2512
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:48,560
ufos that forced the witnesses to the

2513
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,040
ground uh i hadn't heard that uh before

2514
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,199
and i'm interested in uh

2515
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:55,199
knowing more about that

2516
01:32:02,629 --> 01:31:59,840
yeah well i would um now uh katie uh in

2517
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:02,639
in australia as a person i know now it

2518
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:05,760
was a triangle for her i couldn't get

2519
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:08,159
the fact that when he said this black

2520
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:09,280
object

2521
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:10,880
this was during the vietnam war back in

2522
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,280
1966 when it flew over the people on the

2523
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:15,520
ground it forced them to the ground

2524
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:18,080
um and that's something

2525
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:19,760
he didn't really stay you know hopefully

2526
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,040
he'll come back on but he didn't really

2527
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:23,440
say the shape of that that craft

2528
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:24,880
however katie

2529
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:26,960
who will be on the show at some point is

2530
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,199
going to go into detail about what she

2531
01:32:35,350 --> 01:32:31,600
saw over them

2532
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:35,360
so yeah that that is a fascinating story

2533
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:37,760
it is interesting i just went out online

2534
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:40,159
a few minutes ago and was just looking

2535
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:40,800
at

2536
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:42,800
triangle ufo um

2537
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:44,880
stories trying to see something uh

2538
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:46,719
anything i could find about that i just

2539
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:48,320
thought that was an interesting

2540
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:50,960
kind of phenomenon uh associated with

2541
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:52,239
that um

2542
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:54,400
i'm just you know just it makes you

2543
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,040
speculate about what could be

2544
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:59,520
what what's you know what kind of uh

2545
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:01,600
propulsion system or whatever could be

2546
01:33:04,709 --> 01:33:03,040
producing that

2547
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:04,719
that effect but that's really

2548
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:06,560
fascinating um

2549
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:10,239
it almost seems like uh an anti-gravity

2550
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:12,880
or something like that

2551
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:14,560
well yeah that's kind of what i thought

2552
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:17,520
but i i don't know that uh effect uh in

2553
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:19,360
other reports i mean i'm

2554
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:21,440
i may have heard it and just forgot but

2555
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:23,040
it doesn't seem to be too common and

2556
01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:24,719
there have been a lot of

2557
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:28,960
ufo reports over the uh many decades um

2558
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:30,560
that would be interesting to like do a

2559
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:33,199
search of of sightings or close-up

2560
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:35,040
encounters that where people were

2561
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:36,719
physically um

2562
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:39,600
affected and maybe forced even to

2563
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:42,400
to the ground by it that's uh yeah

2564
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:43,600
yeah

2565
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:47,360
i've ever heard that

2566
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:50,639
and so yeah i think that that is uh

2567
01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:54,000
that is fascinating and uh so uh i'm

2568
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:55,600
just hearing from my guests now just to

2569
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:57,920
let everyone know uh i did hear back is

2570
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:00,320
dr irina scott she's gonna be on next

2571
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,440
week on next week's show so

2572
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:05,840
have you ever um

2573
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:07,679
harry have you ever looked into dave

2574
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:12,159
marlar's great book on triangle ufos

2575
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:13,760
i haven't looked in

2576
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:15,920
into the i haven't seen the book

2577
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:18,480
i was uh i think aware that there was a

2578
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:21,440
book uh in fact just just now out online

2579
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:23,520
i i noticed uh

2580
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:24,400
uh

2581
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,000
maybe i need to check that out and see

2582
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,400
it's it's wonderful research now i i

2583
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:34,560
talked to dave quite often but that's

2584
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:35,920
something i've never

2585
01:34:40,149 --> 01:34:37,920
remembered to ask him about about the

2586
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,159
pressure effect if any of these ufo

2587
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:42,639
triangle ufos i have his book i mean i

2588
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:45,520
could i suppose i could i have i have a

2589
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:47,440
lot of books uh to read through but

2590
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:49,840
that's one of them that you know from

2591
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:51,679
the part that i did read i haven't i've

2592
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:54,320
read part of it it's so well written and

2593
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:57,600
documented and and uh great stuff uh you

2594
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:00,800
don't hear a lot of triangle ufos

2595
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:03,920
early on um but there are some there are

2596
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,520
some encounters that go

2597
01:35:09,109 --> 01:35:07,679
back but just uh there's just very few

2598
01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:09,119
of them it seems like it's the vehicle

2599
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:11,119
of choice these days i mean it seems

2600
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:12,719
like there's a lot more

2601
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:14,080
triangles and

2602
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,360
than others

2603
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:17,520
but uh we're stacked up we actually have

2604
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:18,639
uh

2605
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:23,040
anything up terry okay

2606
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:25,199
well just very quickly i've for a long

2607
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:27,119
time i've been wanting to see a panel

2608
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:29,600
convened

2609
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,840
to discuss

2610
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:33,440
whether or not

2611
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:34,800
you know the government

2612
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:37,520
might have actually acquired technology

2613
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:39,119
over the decades that would allow them

2614
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:40,000
to

2615
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:40,880
have

2616
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:44,000
anti-gravity uh craft um

2617
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:45,440
i uh

2618
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,040
you know all the money that goes into

2619
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:49,199
black projects they must have

2620
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:51,119
explored that and i'd love to see a

2621
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:53,280
panel like physicists and aerospace

2622
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,080
people just speculate uh i mean there's

2623
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,679
nothing that i know of in the private

2624
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:59,040
sector that

2625
01:36:08,310 --> 01:35:59,840
that

2626
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:08,320
private sector i would just wonder if if

2627
01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:09,360
um

2628
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:11,119
experts could speculate about whether

2629
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:12,639
the government might have focused enough

2630
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,560
money to have actually produced

2631
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:16,159
that kind of thing because that that

2632
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:17,280
would be

2633
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:18,880
technology that would maybe explain a

2634
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:21,760
lot of these things away as as ours and

2635
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,639
not

2636
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,800
from somewhere else um

2637
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,480
i can understand though

2638
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:28,800
if they are trying to keep it secret

2639
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,320
because i mean it would be such a

2640
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,239
you know it would be such a step ahead

2641
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:36,400
of everyone else if we actually had

2642
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:38,560
something like that i mean and also you

2643
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,199
can think of all the uses we could have

2644
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:43,760
if we actually had that type of thing

2645
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:46,719
available to us uh the energy that well

2646
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:49,040
i don't know what type of energy it

2647
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:51,119
takes to create the

2648
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:53,440
uh you know the any gravity if it's not

2649
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:55,840
a lot of energy perhaps travel could be

2650
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:58,080
completely revolutionary you know in the

2651
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:00,560
future so but anyway we've got four

2652
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,360
people now online waiting to talk thank

2653
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:05,600
you i enjoyed talking to you all right

2654
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:08,880
all right harry take care thank you

2655
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:11,920
all right next uh we have william from

2656
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:16,000
florida william you're live on the air

2657
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,719
hi martin good evening good evening

2658
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:20,960
thanks for calling

2659
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,000
thank you

2660
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,080
um

2661
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:26,400
i had the opportunity to

2662
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:29,520
install a security system

2663
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,719
you know cameras and dvr

2664
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:35,360
at my house

2665
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:38,000
and next door

2666
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:40,480
i put a few cameras on the roof and

2667
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:49,990
um what are you

2668
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,070
more than just visible light like it'd

2669
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:54,400
be infrared and ultraviolet

2670
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:57,040
uh can i just ask you something

2671
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:58,560
sure

2672
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,119
are you on speakerphone

2673
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:03,920
no no i'm not let me just let me check

2674
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:09,109
bad connection

2675
01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:10,960
uh well it was fading in and out so i

2676
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:12,159
wonder if you just make sure you can

2677
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:14,000
speak into the mouthpiece and continue

2678
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,040
on if you would okay let me go to a

2679
01:38:23,109 --> 01:38:19,840
different play of the house

2680
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:23,119
so it's receptive a little spotty

2681
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,080
yeah

2682
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,080
okay can you hear me now

2683
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:28,239
yeah but it is fading in and out so

2684
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:31,760
go ahead though okay um

2685
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,880
so

2686
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:35,040
what i noticed

2687
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:37,280
was um

2688
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:39,440
the dvr has a

2689
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,000
recording log and it puts a watermark on

2690
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,199
a 24-hour type of display

2691
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,600
so you can see whatever motion sensed by

2692
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,560
any of the cameras

2693
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:52,239
and

2694
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:54,800
what i was noticing occasionally

2695
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:56,480
this would happen maybe once a week or

2696
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:57,679
so

2697
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:59,760
but every sunday i'd sit down

2698
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:01,840
sit my coffee and

2699
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:04,320
look at look at what you know what went

2700
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,199
through the yard or went over the house

2701
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,520
and many times it was helicopters and

2702
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,040
planes

2703
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:13,920
and um and so i was seeing these

2704
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:16,400
balls of light going across the sky

2705
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:18,320
occasionally

2706
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,040
um some were closer some were further up

2707
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:23,040
some i saw on a v pattern like you were

2708
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:25,600
talking about earlier with the guy from

2709
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:27,520
the vietnam

2710
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:28,239
war

2711
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:29,600
and um

2712
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:31,840
yeah and so very amazing so what i ended

2713
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:34,239
up doing was i took a satellite dish

2714
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,920
and hacked it out

2715
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:38,159
i put a high gain microphone in it

2716
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:39,199
instead

2717
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,400
and aimed it straight up also

2718
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,400
now when i had it hooked to the stereo i

2719
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:46,719
could really crank it up

2720
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,600
and

2721
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:49,199
these balls of light would never make

2722
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:50,800
any noise

2723
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:53,679
completely silent

2724
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:56,480
the um planes and

2725
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:58,080
you know helicopters of course made

2726
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:59,600
noise like i could even hear the

2727
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:01,840
jetliners that looked like a speck in

2728
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,679
the sky

2729
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:05,119
going over

2730
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:06,880
and it was it was good security for the

2731
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:08,159
house because i could hear everything in

2732
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,440
the neighborhood as well because it

2733
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:12,159
would pick up anything that was

2734
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:13,920
reflected around the neighborhood audio

2735
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,310
but yeah and so on occasions

2736
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:22,400
i had some of these balls of light that

2737
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,840
were so

2738
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:24,719
close

2739
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,840
to

2740
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,199
the yard

2741
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:29,119
that you could actually see the heat

2742
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,280
trail coming off of them

2743
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,280
and the heat is displayed

2744
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,159
at night the image it makes the image

2745
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:41,750
on this type of wide spectrum camera

2746
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,040
but um on this ones that were close

2747
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:47,600
i could actually see a heat trail

2748
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,800
behind it almost looking like you know a

2749
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:51,920
mane of

2750
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,360
of white hair

2751
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:55,360
you know with the wind blowing

2752
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:58,000
and and you could see this ball just

2753
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,560
slowly moving across

2754
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,480
over the house

2755
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,400
and uh and so

2756
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:06,960
my camera system my dvr was picking the

2757
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:09,600
stuff up and putting a watermark on my

2758
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,719
recorder

2759
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:12,239
so what i'm basically trying to tell

2760
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:13,679
everybody is

2761
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:15,600
anybody can do this

2762
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:17,360
yeah they're there all the time it's

2763
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,600
just a matter of looking in the right

2764
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:21,920
spectrums usually they're

2765
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,480
not able to be seen with a naked eye and

2766
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,000
and that's why some people can see them

2767
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,800
and other people can't

2768
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:30,480
oh that's interesting one of the things

2769
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:33,199
i was going to ask you but you kind of

2770
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:36,239
answered the question was that if uh is

2771
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:37,840
there an airport nearby and could these

2772
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:40,000
be landing lights but you said you

2773
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,080
didn't you can hear things from the

2774
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:44,480
airliners going overhead nothing from

2775
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:46,719
these but did these things travel in the

2776
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:47,760
same

2777
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,719
no no not at all all different

2778
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:55,280
directions some i actually saw coming

2779
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,679
straight down out of the sky

2780
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:00,159
and they appeared to like enlarge as

2781
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:01,920
they got closer

2782
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,400
and then they would go back up

2783
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:10,709
horizontally others would be vertical

2784
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:12,800
so are you saying this is not in it's

2785
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:16,080
not in the visible spectrum

2786
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:18,320
many times they're not

2787
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:21,280
now and i have seen a few on occasion

2788
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:23,840
uh with my own eyes

2789
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,360
but

2790
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:27,040
i don't think that all of these that

2791
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,520
were going across the sky

2792
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:31,520
could be seen by the general public

2793
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,960
because

2794
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:34,560
i'm certain that that i would have heard

2795
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:35,760
about it from

2796
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:38,080
neighbors and other people

2797
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,600
i even had friends that would call me

2798
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:41,280
occasionally and say hey

2799
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:43,119
you know there's something

2800
01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:45,440
coming in your direction

2801
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:48,159
and uh i was never able to to catch what

2802
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:50,159
they saw or if they saw something the

2803
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,639
night before i would go back and

2804
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:54,960
on the dvr you know and look at it from

2805
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:58,400
the night before play playing it back

2806
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:01,040
so i i tried to confirm what people saw

2807
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:04,000
but never never was able to catch

2808
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,960
you know

2809
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,960
the same direction

2810
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:08,080
so

2811
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:10,000
my cameras were probably zoomed in to

2812
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:11,760
about

2813
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,040
maybe uh 10 time magnification

2814
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:17,600
uh so i wasn't really heavily zoomed to

2815
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,400
see something close up but but yet when

2816
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,000
you do that then you lose your field of

2817
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:23,600
view

2818
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:30,390
and so i ended up with probably two

2819
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:31,679
dozen

2820
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:35,840
um occurrences that i ended up saving

2821
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:38,159
and uh was always you know great

2822
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:39,520
entertainment for friends that would

2823
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:41,760
come over or family we would sit there

2824
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:44,639
and play this stuff back and

2825
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:46,239
and uh

2826
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:48,239
everybody was just you know

2827
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:49,679
thumbs down and nobody knew what to

2828
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,600
really think

2829
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,600
well i'm wondering if this is if you

2830
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:56,239
would be able to send me one of those

2831
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:00,000
videos if you'd be willing to do that

2832
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,719
uh yeah yeah yeah i'd be willing to do

2833
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:04,719
that

2834
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:08,800
right now

2835
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:10,800
if i would have your permission to just

2836
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:14,400
put it up uh on on youtube with a

2837
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:17,440
unlisted and then put the link to it in

2838
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:18,880
the show notes so people that are

2839
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,520
listening to the show only can uh take a

2840
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,440
peek at it

2841
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,400
right right right well let's can we talk

2842
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,800
uh later after the call talk later after

2843
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,440
and what you need to do if you would um

2844
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:33,440
because i have things going on this

2845
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,440
evening it's early here in california

2846
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:37,920
where i am but i need you to email me at

2847
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,639
podcastmartinetpodcastufo.com

2848
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:42,400
but william thank you so much for the

2849
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:45,760
call it's been fascinating thank you

2850
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:48,320
thank you and that was martin at what

2851
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:51,520
podcast ufo.com

2852
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:53,440
got it thanks

2853
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:00,629
all right next we have stephen calling

2854
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:03,440
from michigan stephen welcome to the

2855
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:08,070
stephen are you there welcome to the

2856
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:15,189
um all right so let's jump over to

2857
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:17,920
chris from houston

2858
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:21,280
chris are you there welcome to the show

2859
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:23,280
hey martin hey thanks for uh having me

2860
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:25,199
on i've called him three times now i

2861
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:27,040
think and each time it's been a pleasure

2862
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:29,440
so thank you for having me i had two

2863
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:31,119
questions um

2864
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:33,280
i just finished watching the skinwalker

2865
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:36,080
ranch documentary by jeremy corbell

2866
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,990
oh good

2867
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:43,440
that's what i thought i was like i'll

2868
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:46,480
roll with it thank you

2869
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:53,669
all right uh

2870
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:55,510
am i missing something here i didn't

2871
01:46:02,709 --> 01:45:58,880
quite catch that

2872
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,719
martin can you hear me i can yes

2873
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,560
okay i think we got the names mixed up

2874
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:05,920
on the call but i can go ahead with my

2875
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:06,800
question

2876
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,280
all right what's your name

2877
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:11,360
it's steve from grand rapids michigan oh

2878
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:13,840
yes i did i did try you and uh i guess

2879
01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:15,600
you weren't uh connected at the time

2880
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:16,719
steve uh

2881
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,360
welcome to the show so anyway move uh we

2882
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:21,280
can move right along here tell tell me

2883
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,480
what it is that happened yeah yeah so i

2884
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:26,320
i just uh finished watching the

2885
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,639
skinwalker ranch documentary by jeremy

2886
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:31,119
corbell and it was interesting

2887
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:33,119
you know with the phd scientist guys

2888
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,199
there for over 20 years they kept

2889
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:37,199
talking about how the phenomenon they

2890
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:38,719
were trying to capture

2891
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:40,639
almost knew exactly where like camera

2892
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,960
positions would be it would always pop

2893
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:44,800
off just like right off of the camera

2894
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,480
frame so you can never capture it and

2895
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,239
you can never see it and it was

2896
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:50,239
interesting they always said that it was

2897
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:52,639
it did not want itself to be revealed so

2898
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,320
you know i watched the new york times

2899
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:56,480
come out with these these videos

2900
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:59,119
from uh the feds and they're i think

2901
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:00,719
they're amazing but clearly they're not

2902
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,679
it's not that that golden image that can

2903
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:05,440
convince the world you know of the

2904
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:06,880
reality of the phenomenon and we've

2905
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:09,119
never had an image like that so i wanted

2906
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,679
you to maybe come and speculate on

2907
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:13,360
you know if you ever will get a chance

2908
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:15,679
to see that or if you

2909
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:17,840
just i guess speculating against or

2910
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,920
about like when they appear and when

2911
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:21,360
they allow themselves to be viewed and

2912
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:23,119
if we'll ever see the full extent and

2913
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,040
last quick question martin is when i go

2914
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:26,880
to youtube and you're looking for ufo

2915
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,840
videos i swear the algorithms they don't

2916
01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:31,920
they give you news stories they don't i

2917
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:33,760
know there's more videos and images out

2918
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:35,679
there and i'm wondering if you have any

2919
01:47:39,910 --> 01:47:38,080
ideas or thoughts on other platforms or

2920
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:39,920
easier ways to access

2921
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:42,159
the massive amount of media that i know

2922
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,760
is out there and just feel that it's

2923
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:45,280
being suppressed thank you i appreciate

2924
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,239
it

2925
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,320
uh yeah thank you uh

2926
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:50,080
you asked a number of questions there

2927
01:47:55,750 --> 01:47:53,600
but uh get as far as the youtube goes i

2928
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,760
i'm i'm not you know there's some really

2929
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:58,239
good channels out there i actually think

2930
01:48:02,390 --> 01:48:00,560
that chris leto is doing a very good job

2931
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,400
but he's doing it mostly on

2932
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:04,560
you know his experience and military

2933
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:05,520
experience

2934
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:07,920
john greenwald has a great you youtube

2935
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:11,199
channel um the black vault um and there

2936
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:14,800
are a number of them we have a

2937
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,360
the ufo of the celebrity review uh louis

2938
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:21,280
yemez um

2939
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:24,080
a fun guy he is he's got a great show

2940
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:25,760
he's trying to do some really good work

2941
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:28,960
so yeah it's hard as far as searching

2942
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:31,440
searching a word you know word search is

2943
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,800
very difficult because you're going to

2944
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,719
come across all kinds of

2945
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,800
you know bogus things and things like

2946
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:38,000
that

2947
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,400
so it's tough you got to choose your

2948
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:42,560
sources carefully when you're looking

2949
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:45,600
into this topic so uh thank you uh thank

2950
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:47,040
you for the call sorry i couldn't answer

2951
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:48,960
it all i'm trying to get some people in

2952
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:52,320
here and next is uh actually a friend a

2953
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:54,480
friend of the show as well linda

2954
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,600
zimmerman

2955
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:58,080
linda welcome to the show

2956
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,560
oh thank you martin how are you

2957
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:02,480
great i'm so glad you called in how are

2958
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:03,760
you

2959
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:13,840
from a ufo yeah i have heard that with

2960
01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:16,960
several witnesses but the earliest case

2961
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:19,520
i've been able to find was actually

2962
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:27,669
fascinating case a medical student was

2963
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:29,119
walking home

2964
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:32,400
and a 40-foot glowing disc

2965
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:34,880
uh descended to about a hundred foot

2966
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,440
altitude he felt heat

2967
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:39,760
and the pressure was so strong it

2968
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,199
literally knocked him to his knees

2969
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:45,760
and when it took off he was able to

2970
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:48,880
stand up and he said the distinct odor

2971
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:52,239
of sulfur was in the air

2972
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,040
so

2973
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:55,199
i thought you might be interested in

2974
01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:56,719
this case

2975
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:58,560
definitely doesn't that's something i

2976
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:59,760
never heard of

2977
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:01,280
i don't know if i've ever heard of any

2978
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:03,679
encounter ever that there was like a

2979
01:50:08,830 --> 01:50:07,199
sulfur smell that's pretty bizarre

2980
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:08,840
very

2981
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,239
rare yeah yeah and the pressure thing i

2982
01:50:15,589 --> 01:50:14,000
mean we can only speculate but it makes

2983
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,599
me wonder

2984
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:18,000
what was the effect on

2985
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:20,639
other biological

2986
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:23,040
things in the area like you know i mean

2987
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:25,599
trees plants um

2988
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,080
dogs uh you know was it

2989
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:30,800
i i mean is there any accounting of that

2990
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:33,119
i mean though i'm i'm sure when you're

2991
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:36,639
going all the way back to that 1929

2992
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,440
i think that's what you said uh

2993
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:41,440
details are probably not in there like

2994
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:43,599
that

2995
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:46,320
not the and plus he was walking on uh

2996
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,440
euclid street uh in oak park which

2997
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:50,800
probably

2998
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:53,920
was more urban i think

2999
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,040
um

3000
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,520
but yet there should have been trees but

3001
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:59,920
he didn't he didn't say anything about

3002
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,159
about that but uh

3003
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:04,239
to me it sounds that there's there's

3004
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:06,960
some sort of field this craft is

3005
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:09,040
generating perhaps it has to do with

3006
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:10,480
propulsion

3007
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:11,520
or

3008
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:17,199
front of the craft to to push someone to

3009
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:18,480
the ground

3010
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,639
that has to be

3011
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,320
very strong

3012
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,159
i would think so and it also makes me

3013
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:26,560
wonder if there was a sound issue like a

3014
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:28,159
lot of people say that

3015
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:35,589
you know initially heard humming like

3016
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:38,560
turbines he said

3017
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:42,800
um didn't mention any any silence uh

3018
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:45,280
after that but uh

3019
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:47,679
you know between the pressure the heat

3020
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:50,320
the sulfur smell this

3021
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:51,920
this is um

3022
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:54,400
this was a remarkable case

3023
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:55,840
definitely

3024
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:57,520
linda thank you so much for the call

3025
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:59,119
it's always always great to talk to you

3026
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:00,719
and always nice to see you when that

3027
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:03,280
happens so thank you

3028
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:04,080
yes

3029
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:07,280
glad to uh share that so take care all

3030
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,040
right you too bye-bye

3031
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:11,920
bye now uh we have just one more call we

3032
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:14,560
only got a few minutes uh chris uh

3033
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:17,199
waiting patiently in houston texas chris

3034
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:19,760
welcome to the show

3035
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,159
hi hi martin hi hi bill

3036
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:24,320
yeah thanks for thanks for being on hold

3037
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:26,320
all that time sorry about that

3038
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:28,960
no problem no phone um i'm i'm not

3039
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:31,040
calling with a personal siding this time

3040
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:34,639
um i'm calling to uh just mention a note

3041
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,679
about the

3042
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:37,920
uh the lights uh question that keeps

3043
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:41,840
coming up why use um

3044
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:46,159
uh navigation lights on a um aircraft so

3045
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,560
if you if you're not there's nothing you

3046
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:50,560
don't want people to see you well i

3047
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:53,840
think you one thing that keeps every

3048
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:56,480
time i hear this like this occurs to me

3049
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,440
uh that it why do we use lights on our

3050
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:00,960
aircraft

3051
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:03,760
it's not for aliens to see us it's for

3052
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:05,840
other humans to see us

3053
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:07,599
it's for people on the ground to see us

3054
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:09,119
and specifically for other people in the

3055
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:11,840
air to see us so doesn't it make

3056
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:13,840
perfectly good common sense

3057
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:17,520
that if you are a biological organism

3058
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,199
with optical visual systems that um

3059
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,520
operate in

3060
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:25,360
what we share which is the visible light

3061
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:26,480
spectrum

3062
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,000
that if you have other craft in the area

3063
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:32,639
that you would be running lights

3064
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:35,440
to afford not for anybody on the ground

3065
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:37,040
not for any of the observers or

3066
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:39,679
witnesses but for your other

3067
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,760
team members who are also in the air

3068
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,760
with you or on the ground

3069
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:45,440
i mean it's a little bit it should be a

3070
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:47,679
little bit of a you know scary thought

3071
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:48,480
but

3072
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,199
it does make sense doesn't it that if if

3073
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:53,119
you're if you're

3074
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:54,480
if you have aircraft

3075
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,679
that are there

3076
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:57,520
aircraft spacecraft

3077
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,920
and you operate in a visual light

3078
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:01,280
spectrum

3079
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:03,440
then you it makes sense to put lights on

3080
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,960
your aircraft whether you're human

3081
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:06,880
non-human wherever you're from i mean

3082
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,440
yeah and i'm afraid i'm afraid they'll

3083
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:11,840
christmas and use lights

3084
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:13,760
we're out of time chris i hate to say it

3085
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,320
but um yeah that is it's quite hard you

3086
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,480
know and it's also hard not to think in

3087
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:20,719
human terms but you did just mention you

3088
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:23,040
know maybe whoever they are

3089
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:24,239
needs the same thing and that's a

3090
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:27,040
possibility i i don't really know but i

3091
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:29,040
i appreciate your your thoughts on that

3092
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:31,119
that was uh that's very good thanks so

3093
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,480
much creatures at the bottom of the

3094
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,560
ocean use lights

3095
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:36,400
for each other not for us good good

3096
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:39,440
point all right take care thanks a lot

3097
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:41,040
all right all right everyone so thank

3098
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:42,639
you so much for hanging in with us

3099
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:44,639
that's too bad we lost our guests but um

3100
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:46,239
i do want to thank all the callers that

3101
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:48,080
called in and helped us go through the

3102
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,239
show i want to also thank bill for

3103
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:52,320
helping out and next week

3104
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,639
we just found out we have dr irena scott

3105
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:56,639
should be a great show thanks so much

3106
01:55:00,600 --> 01:54:58,080
everyone and remember to keep your eyes

3107
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:00,610
to the sky